Quote from: bitmover on December 13, 2023, 05:38:48 PM

The best option for those who have a Ledger wallet and are worried about data harvesting, is just to use another software.
~snip~

There is no doubt about that, but still from time to time you can't avoid using LL, at least when it comes to things like updating or adding a coin app, or maybe when it comes to a firmware upgrade. I turned off that questionable option a long time ago because I have a habit of checking such things, but this is a good warning for all those who haven't done it yet or are about to install LL.

Quote from: Meuserna on December 13, 2023, 08:29:25 PM

Uhm... what about the key extraction code that's not built into the firmware?

Maybe that code has always existed, only recently they decided to tell us about it because they want to charge us for a service that has a direct connection with that code.

Quote from: Meuserna on December 13, 2023, 08:29:25 PM

I seriously do not understand why anyone is trusting Ledger at this point. What ever happened to the days of Bitcoiners saying "Don't trust. Verify." Now, it seems to be "Don't trust, unless the company's CEO wears at least nine rings while defending key extraction firmware. Nine rings or more makes it okay."

Some actually have no idea what it's all about, some others simply can't afford another HW, others think that the recovery option is actually something that gives them greater security. Besides, how many people actually understand Bitcoin as more than a get-rich-quick scheme? If so many believe in CEX as a crypto bank, it's no wonder that they still trust the company that allowed it to be hacked (data leak) and then came up with the idea of enabling seed extraction and sharing the same with third parties.

Quote from: Meuserna on December 13, 2023, 08:29:25 PM

There are only three safe uses for a Ledger:

Door stop.
Target practice.
Decoy wallet.

I agree, and maybe someone could think of another way to use it - I know that some have managed to install a simple game on Ledger in the past🐍