Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 21, 2023, 04:15:34 PM

Oh gawd you are such a patronizing twat, which makes you so adorable. Wink

well ass kissing didnt get you far..

Surely you are presuming a lot.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

and there are far too many ass kissers telling you empty promises, so maybe you need a refreshing prospective to wake you from the fluffy utopian dream adverts..

For some reason, I don't even perceive myself as having any real and/or meaningful problem, as you seem to be projecting such a status upon me.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

remember this version of you, and notice the issue (not verbatim, but summarised)
"i dont like custodial wallets so for the last few months i have been using 3 custodian wallets advertised to me"

You seem to be referring to my lightning wallet usage on Bluewallet, Phoenix and Breez. I researched and found those to be something that I was willing to try out, and surely I rejected several others and a few times, I wrote some posts regarding in the times that I was going through my decision-making process around setting them up.. the first time was around mid to late 2022 when I ended up getting started with Bluewallet, and then the second time was around February/March 2023, when I ended up setting up Breez and Phoenix (which came after Bluewallet had communicated that they were no longer going to custody their customers coins - meaning that Bluewallet was gong to able to use their lightning wallet features by channeling through your own node or a known node that was not Bluewallet's)..

Yes, I prefer non-custodial, but if there are some custodial aspects in terms of some of the wallet choices (or services) that I might end up making, and that might be the closest that is available for my circumstances, then I will go with the closest available until maybe some other reasonable and/or feasible option might come about. I am not do or die stuck upon one way of looking at the matter, and sometimes there are going to need to be trade-offs, especially if some of the technologies and practices are still in early stages of development.. which still seems to be the case with lightning network, even though it has been live nearly 7 years now...and yeah some of the recent bug findings in lightning network, maybe from a few months ago, are still trying to be figured out if there is any way to resolve them.. and sure it could be ongoingly problematic if the recently discovered bugs cannot be resolved (and/or work-arounds cannot be made).

It seems to me that there is ONLY so much that any user of these systems, including yours truly, might be ready, willing, and/or able to do in terms of learning how to run a node or even some of the other technical learnings that might be needed (or due diligence) and to actually follow through with such, even though that might be something like running a node could be something that I could end up considering at some point.. perhaps? perhaps? But at this point, it might even be questionable how much lightning network is going to continue to operate if there might not be work-arounds for some of the latest bugs.. at least from my understanding about some of the current difficulties and/or questions that exits.

In any event, currently, I am mostly continuing with Phoenix, and maybe I will re-fund my Breez channel at some point in the future.. right now they are charging 25,000 sats plus 1% for any of the initial channel creations, which seems to be quite a bit higher than when I originally had created the earlier channel that got closed on me.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

"i was told fee's were sub-penny amounts and instant. but ive experienced expensive fee's moving funds from wallet to wallet that needed 24hours to close one wallet and needing to move funds again and get possession of funds to then move again to open new wallet costing me more then a few dollars"

Sure, that might be more or less a fair rendition. It seems that if a person has an established lightning channel, then it might not be very expensive to make quite a few transactions, but then if there are force or surprised closings, then that could end up costing way more, and then I had heard that there had been quite a few fees in channel management over the years too, but I am not going to suggest that these were any kinds deliberate attempts to scam anyone, but instead deliberate attempts to engage in various open-sourced and decentralized ways to try to get this somewhat decentralized system to work as a second layer to bitcoin.. so yeah, maybe it is ending with less and less success and maybe even difficulties finding a path forward if there might be irresolvable technical issues (bugs) that have been found to exist.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

just be honest TO YOURSELF about your real experiences. not what you think you should say to make other people happy.

Who said that I am not being honest to myself? Besides you? I had really ONLY recently begun to try to use Lightning network wallets, and I am not trying to persuade anyone to do anything, even though I had helped some people to get set up with various kinds of wallets that I was using (lightning network wallets), and then I also had done a few lightning network transactions.. not very many but a few.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

by the way
idiots doing the childish mantra of "here's a utopian dream to believe in, father christmas is real, LN is the solution, be a good boy, kiss devs ass and your dreams will come true" is far more patronising then being told the harsh truth

What is the harsh truth? Frankie was right all along? Is that what you are trying to say? Are you trying to say that you knew LN was not going to work and you knew about the bug?

We don't really seem to be getting anywhere with your seeming to just want to deal with black an white which would include you as the good guy and the one who is right about everything.. that just does not seem to be very helpful... Maybe it makes you feel good to be interacting with other people in those kinds of ways?

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 21, 2023, 08:02:04 PM

Quote from: TrustedBitcoiner on December 21, 2023, 06:57:05 PM

https://sbtc.tech/
i think this is what franky is talking about

Thanks, and at least you can get some insight into Franky's presentation style, and sure there could be some ways that other things are being "built" on and around bitcoin, but instead Franky chooses to be coy about the matter (so that someone like me, and perhaps even you too have to guess) rather than his choosing to be straight-forward in regards to what he is talking about and how what he talks about might relate to this thread rather than some other thread... since this is not the "all things to fix" (or unbreak) bitcoin thread.

firstly.. there are many projects

Of course, you don't want to provide links because you think that people should figure things out for themselves, and yeah, I still would question whether whatever that you are even referring to is related to this thread or not? and your failure/refusal to either provide a thread or some kinds of specifics, causes me to conclude that it probably is not sufficiently related and/or even worth looking into further.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

secondly no i was not presenting any single project. (unlike your preference to be advertised to)

Not sure what this means.. except that I am both a advertiser and I like to be advertised to by the various incorrect talking points and you are not going to participate in this except to just be critical of any actions that any forum members taking as not doing enough research, but making their decisions based on superficial ads and then luring in other forum members with such superficial talking points.. supposedly that is what we are doing, from your perspective, when we participate in various lighting network discussions.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

thirdly, you dont need to guess.. google is your friend. you can do research and find answers without guessing. thats how research works

No problem. When I am ready to look into some of the amorphous matters that you are talking about, then I will try to figure it out. I am sure, if you are so in-touch with the latest happenings, then some of these matters will come to light, even if you do not specifically point anyone to any specific place to look.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

i know you want to be promoted to, advertised to and handed the cheat sheet. but thats not how the real world works.
because so far the cheat sheets and promotional material handed to you have not helped you thus far

Again. You are assuming various problems? Why? You want to say I told you so about something?

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

...it also has not gone unnoticed how you have been TOO determined to just go in circles wanting to talk about "franky's personality" while avoiding the LN flaws conversation.. your not the first to try this tactic to avoid admitting your own negative experiences of the utopian dream you were promised..

I guess you got me figured out.

Quote from: franky1 on December 21, 2023, 08:24:11 PM

one last fact about me, seeing as you prefer to talk about 'franky personality'

i am not your mother. it is not my job to hug you and spoonfeed you. i know you have experienced forum daddies teaching you bad ways and telling you which toys to play with. but i am not your mother. so take responsibility of your own learning and progress

Ok. I will try to take more responsibility for myself and for my actions from here on out.

By the way, Wen LN replacement?