Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 12:27:47 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 25, 2023, 06:54:48 PM

Why are you forced to use Bitcoin with ridiculous levels of privacy?

Because, according to you, unless every transaction is private by the protocol, nobody should try to enhance their privacy as that would "leave the unknowing recipient take the fall for their privacy". Which, needless to say, is a ridiculous idea.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 25, 2023, 06:54:48 PM

If you want it to provide privacy without jumping through hoops or facilitating illegal behavior like money laundering, that needs to be done at the protocol level. I don’t make the laws.

Because... facilitating money laundering on the protocol is completely legal. Lol.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 25, 2023, 06:54:48 PM

I noticed you didn’t answer my question about what you are doing to vendors and how you think they feel about it.

I already told you. Merchants cannot expect from their clients to do blockchain analysis, and nor should they as it is evidently inaccurate. Instead, merchants should expect that the bitcoin can come from any kind of activity, just as with cash.

If you believe that there should be no privacy in the world unless there is a universal consensus and enforcement, then you are the one indulging in fantasy.

You still didn't answer my question... You think vendors appreciate you sending them obfuscated funds from a known money laundering operation?

Using a private protocol doesn't amount to money laundering just because it's private. Isn't that your whole argument for mixers in the first place? This is called talking in circles.

Accepting funds that have been illegally obtained is illegal. You talking about blockchain analysis and expectations doesn't change this. Purposely laundering the funds and having them sent to vendors is quite different from someone not knowing where their funds came from and spending them. In a court of law this would be the difference between unintentional ignorance and intentionally obfuscating their source, which is illegal.

I do believe that privacy can come from using a private protocol. That removes the "intentionally obfuscating their source" by users, which is what makes using mixers money laundering. This isn't fantasy, it's reality. Thinking you can intentionally obfuscate your funds using a 3rd party legally to protect your "privacy" is fantasy.

I don't even understand your argument against making a private protocol instead of relying 3rd parties. relying on 3rd parties is against everything Bitcoin represents in my opinion. The exact opposite of self sovereignty.