Quote from: mak013 on December 26, 2023, 07:55:36 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 26, 2023, 02:25:50 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 22, 2023, 11:03:59 AM

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

Yes, indeed, but the less they remove the tools the better, I believe that those who use Bitcoin are because they have become known in P2P Exchanges where they give their bank details at once, and that is where they have it, it is very easy That way, but from wallet to wallet, with mixers things change, with respect to KYC, there are many new things, in fact, the demands are increasing even for casinos because casinos now have to invest a lot of money in security so that the things they have stored there in the data do not leak, so now that is a fortune, so things can be smiling for us as players, because as I said, when now they put their hands in your pockets Casino things change, I am sure that things can be done to avoid this KYC if the prices in this case increase and continue to increase, and those cases can be studied to know what can be done, because there is a lot they have to invest.

With respect to what you say, that bitcoin reaches zero, so I know, for example, that for me is not possible, for now it is not, within the limits of the intact possibilities, well, it is, but for that to happen I want to say that many Investors are willing to lose all their investment in bitcoin investment and many institutions do it too, even the bankers and governments that are against Bitcoin, they have bitcoin, even the economists themselves know the great value it has, that's what they say. You can say about any shitcoin, which doesn't matter to me, but Bitcoin? Come on man, we are talking about the King, the one who is actually worth money, who at any moment can reach $100k or even why not? $500k or more, those are the goals that Bitcoin has, even the enemies of Bitcoin themselves are recognizing the supremacy of the crypto asset, so what you say is a bit exaggerated.

I`m sure that nobody can avoid the police(or secret services) if the would be strongly motivated to catch him. Any mixers or avoiding KYC can`t help with it. I read sometimes different cryptocurrencies news and can say that the police today is qualified enough and has enough instruments to catch a bitcoiner. The main question is how big is the fish.

The gold can be used in industry, the oil can be used in industry, USD is the standard. Bitcoin is nothing. No one country will allow any type of money they can`t control.
But it doesn`t mean that we can`t get profit using BTC in our real life. I buy, sell, earn BTC. But the money i have in BTC today - costs nothing for me, due to bey/sell operations. I don`t care will it be $500.000 or zero.

You are absolutely right , the main problem is dealing with people who believe that using bitcoin is bad , the Governments are those types of entities that want to control Absolutely everything so as not to let anything be done, only them, but let's take the example of a Country like El Salvador , whose identity has changed a lot and thanks to Bukele who has done great things with the bitocin, has changed the way people see this and it is Possible that many children have the complete understanding that this is a way out of private economies and that is a Sufficient Reason not to be Controlled by governments, I don't remember which senator from the USA says that bitcoin should be controlled, but it is as you say, how can they control bitcoin ? certainly that man has no idea what is happening, these are things that do not make any Kind of sense to me, in this case the things that we have heard about a powerful crypto asset are because many times they have no idea what it can achieve .

That's why we should always fight for the things that we believe can make a Difference , governments? banks? They will always be on their side, don't they care about anything else , uncontrolled money? That is like kryptonite for Superman to them , so they must Subject people to identifying themselves, because with the security protocols that we all know, such as Tor, VPN and all these tools that allow us to be in a more secure layer for the anonymity they are more difficult to track, only those who make the exchange directly from their wallet passing through a fiat money bank, when money inflows are recorded, where partiuclamrne the bank jumps and begins to see and ask why it is using such money and what is the origin of their funds ? Unless you have a bank account in Switzerland where things work on another level , and you can talk about more Freedoms.