Quote from: mak013 on December 28, 2023, 10:10:24 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 28, 2023, 08:50:10 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 26, 2023, 07:55:36 AM

I`m sure that nobody can avoid the police(or secret services) if the would be strongly motivated to catch him. Any mixers or avoiding KYC can`t help with it. I read sometimes different cryptocurrencies news and can say that the police today is qualified enough and has enough instruments to catch a bitcoiner. The main question is how big is the fish.

The gold can be used in industry, the oil can be used in industry, USD is the standard. Bitcoin is nothing. No one country will allow any type of money they can`t control.
But it doesn`t mean that we can`t get profit using BTC in our real life. I buy, sell, earn BTC. But the money i have in BTC today - costs nothing for me, due to bey/sell operations. I don`t care will it be $500.000 or zero.

You are absolutely right , the main problem is dealing with people who believe that using bitcoin is bad , the Governments are those types of entities that want to control Absolutely everything so as not to let anything be done, only them, but let's take the example of a Country like El Salvador , whose identity has changed a lot and thanks to Bukele who has done great things with the bitocin, has changed the way people see this and it is Possible that many children have the complete understanding that this is a way out of private economies and that is a Sufficient Reason not to be Controlled by governments, I don't remember which senator from the USA says that bitcoin should be controlled, but it is as you say, how can they control bitcoin ? certainly that man has no idea what is happening, these are things that do not make any Kind of sense to me, in this case the things that we have heard about a powerful crypto asset are because many times they have no idea what it can achieve .

That's why we should always fight for the things that we believe can make a Difference , governments? banks? They will always be on their side, don't they care about anything else , uncontrolled money? That is like kryptonite for Superman to them , so they must Subject people to identifying themselves, because with the security protocols that we all know, such as Tor, VPN and all these tools that allow us to be in a more secure layer for the anonymity they are more difficult to track, only those who make the exchange directly from their wallet passing through a fiat money bank, when money inflows are recorded, where partiuclamrne the bank jumps and begins to see and ask why it is using such money and what is the origin of their funds ? Unless you have a bank account in Switzerland where things work on another level , and you can talk about more Freedoms.

Nobody can do something with the Governments. And the countries like El Salvador can`t help - anyway all of us need fiat money for real life. El Salvador can become an offshore like Cayman Islands but for cryptocurrencies. And it will be used by big bosses like mixers.
And the same problem with Tor, VPN, etc. The main problem that we can`t buy everyday things using cryptocurrencies. We have to change it for fiat money, mostly using credit/debt cards. And here the bitcoiner can be caught easily. I don`t work in police, but i`m sure that they have something to catch us even in cryptocurrencies. And anyway when you get fiat money the tax service begin to ask you some questions.
It is just one moment, why i`m sure that BTC can cost nothing some moment.

Well in that sense it is something that we cannot highlight, although I say something, if it happens that people no longer want to do KYC or anything like that, casinos that are decentralized will begin to reign or there will be a way that casinos will be able to do something to avoid VPNs at least, of course I understand what you are saying, but if the biggest crimes are and have been with FIAT money, the money that comes from crypto is not for them to leave , Everything is bad , yes I know You're laughing, but believe me there will be ways that people will want Bitcoin, for now it is at a good price, just imagine that it Reaches $100k there will be total madness , and Something so valuable that out of nowhere it will reach zero for me For now it is not viable, it is not possible, it is like killing the goose that lays the golden Eggs.

What happened is that I say it from the Point of view that such large Institutions that have made large investments in bitcoin and not earn anything, that is something that cannot happen, these companies have not made this tremendous investment to end up at zero , in In the worst case, I think things would have to be handled from a point of view very far removed from what it means to put things in fiat money, or to carry out operations from a country that does have freedom or a tax haven where it does not matter. give so much importance, it is that bitcoin is money, just like gold, like any other action, only that bitcoin cannot be controlled by any government, in fact governments own bitcoin and they can do anything with it, there will be many ways to get money, people for money are able to enter the same deepweb but they do not stay without their money, people when they see that they are messing with their pocket change noticeably, and that is seen anywhere in the world wherever things are handled, for that reason we are always looking for a way to buy bitcoin and buy Bitcoin.