Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on January 02, 2024, 06:22:55 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on January 01, 2024, 11:36:17 AM

I've never ever seen someone on this forum pick out the first 10 words of a post and respond to nothing else.

It's Ironic how he called out OP just because he wanted Decentralized Bitcointalk (which is not a bad idea) and then how he reacted just because you said shame on you. LOL. People always think from their side but do not try to think what if I were him? He can call someone Joker which he considers as his opinion, but when you say shame on you, it's not an opinion but it shows who you are. LOL.

You should stop replying to such a person who gets offended too much by such words and are unable to understand what could be their mistake. Some people always think they are right. They don't want to accept their mistakes and this is one of the reasons Ratimov fucked up himself.

It is extremely ironic. I find it surprising (and not) that no one came to put him in line, especially since so many other members have been quick to do that to others in sometimes unnecessary circumstances in the past.

Nature will teach him the lessons that he needs to learn anyway. At least the true colors have been shown by that user Wink

Quote from: nutildah on January 02, 2024, 04:22:36 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 01, 2024, 10:03:41 PM

Hey I am married and depend on 3 US fed gov pensions.

So moving to El Salvador to run a mirror image of this forum is not in the cards for me.

I'm pretty sure you can still collect your pension(s) if you move to another country... If you become an "outlaw", that may change, of course.

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 01, 2024, 10:03:41 PM

Lastly bitcointalk was the startup forum for btc. It did a good job. It is no longer the influencer that it once was.

This is true.

As I like to mention, at its base, the forum is now a historical museum for those who want to learn more about the beginnings of Bitcoin. It is also a repository for information on older altcoins. For example, this is the birthplace of Ethereum. Then on top of all that we have a huge layer of spam -- a positive byproduct of this is it has solidified Bitcointalk as an SEO powerhouse... years upon years of posts with specific terms frequently puts this site at the top of Google search results. Probably how it gets most of its non-user traffic.

Does bitcointalk really need to be a museum?

Yes, it hosts artifacts of the first steps and the evolution of Bitcoin and its community...though is it really necessary for us to fall behind the bleeding edge just because innovation is lacking throughout administration and the community?

That would be a sad crack for this forum to slip in. Its history should motivate us, in my opinion anyway.

Quote from: cryptosize on January 01, 2024, 11:55:58 PM

I reckon we can have a decent decentralized forum protocol if FTTH (100 Mbps upload) becomes the baseline.

With ADSL (1 Mbps upload) it's not really possible... ADSL is fine for BTC, that's why Satoshi released it in 2009 (when ADSL was already becoming the norm).

I believe that a decentralized forum wouldn't necessarily be determined by bandwidth or internet speed. A good solution should be more lightweight, if anything.

Quote from: joker_josue on January 01, 2024, 09:56:22 PM

Quote from: JackMazzoni on December 31, 2023, 05:05:35 AM

Bitcointalk is a forum for a decentralize money bitcoin and other cryptos. I believe bitcointalk should be hosted on decentralize hosting and decentralize domain name or there should be a back up or mirror site for bitcointalk. We don't know the future they could ban bitcoin and also ban bitcointalk.org and other websites that supports bitcoin. USA getting desperate with de dollarization or Somewhere in the future china (2027-2030) will be the most dominant superpower would ban / sanction bitcoin.

I think it's funny when they talk about forum decentralization. Roll Eyes

The point here is: what do you mean by decentralized? Without an administration? "Decentralized" hosting?

If it comes to hosting, whoever comes, there is still no minimally viable way to achieve this dream of decentralized hosting.

Start with the domain. Where can you get the decentralized .com or .org domain?
Are they going to say it’s the ENS service (.eth pseudodomains)!?

This continues to have a centralized service behind it. And in turn, it is not practical to access the forum this way. The forum was created to be a point of information about Bitcoin, accessible to the entire world. Not with the hurdles of additional configurations that people have to do.

And I'm not even going to talk about hosting... because in the end there always has to be someone behind the scenes managing the server.

Decentralized means to not be controlled by a single party or group, as BitcoinTalk is.

There is a viable way to achieve decentralized hosting of the front end, back end and databases. The most efficient and viable way for the forum is what will take research, though it is possible with great minds doing the research and work required to achieve the goal.

An official goal will bring solutions. Attitudes like what we see vastly in this thread will not.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on January 01, 2024, 09:41:58 PM

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 01, 2024, 09:28:02 PM

I am not even sure most of the people would enjoy non-censored bitcointalk forum

People need to realize that it is pointless to have freedom of speech without moderation to some degree. Moderation != censorship. Freedom of speech endorses the controversial, but not the violating. You cannot fill the board with giant links to scam sites and expect to be protected. It is not hate speech to "censor" this kind of behavior, it is simply a necessary measure one must take to allow the speech of everyone else.

Rules govern what is allowed and what is not...if members agree to those rules and have a form of governance power over these rules through voting, then moderation should only be to enforce those rules that the majority of the community already agrees on, posts removed in line with that technically wouldn't be censorship, posts removed for other purposes would be.

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 01, 2024, 09:28:02 PM

Quote from: JackMazzoni on December 31, 2023, 07:18:00 AM

Bitcointalk.org is not truly free until it is decentralize. We are at the mercy of big nations.

Go ahead and make your own decentralized forum, there is nothing preventing you to do that, and see how it goes for you.
You cant just expect that magical decentralization would fix all the problem in the world like censorship, it is childish to think like that.
I am not even sure most of the people would enjoy non-censored bitcointalk forum, and they wouldn't like to live in world without any censorship, it's just a pipe dream.

It's also a little childish to tell an individual to take their idea and do go and do it themselves. BitcoinTalk and its administration have the resources, they did raise a lot of Bitcoin to build new forum software after all....

Censorship is not a huge problem now, though it could be later...if nations decide to take a leaf out of China's book and build a firewall around websites, that would be the next stage for censorship...if nations started regulating what communities people could join, prosecuted them based on what they say, forced tracking and reporting, or anything of the likes (all possible) then a centralized forum like BitcoinTalk would have to adapt (for better or for worse).

Decentralizing is taking liability away from administration and distributing it across very user. It's not an unreasonable idea.