Quote from: Smartvirus on January 07, 2024, 04:38:41 PM

--snip-- It’s not a comparison. It’s simply, having to identify that there is corruption and corrupt practices just in about every nation and no one is being so loud about it, painting the nations to be the worst with every statement that comes off there lips.

The western countries, especially the scandinavians have done a pretty good job of halting corrupt practices in their society. So again, generalizing it to every country is not right. Any discussion on corruption in a populous, poor country like, say, Nigeria or India has to acknowledge that the systems have been left to rot. We have failed to inculcate ethics in society because of the cut-throat race for survival and money.

Its stupid to try to defend the "honor" of the country when it comes to corruption. People are misled based on these statements and the politicians get away with it. You are just being a useful fool for those politicians if you equate the two things.

Quote from: Smartvirus on January 07, 2024, 04:38:41 PM

This is an idea that is deeply embedded in my ethics for a being. The first step to problem solving is knowing that, you’ve got a problem. If you don’t, then there would sure be no reason for worry or nothing to solve. That’s something well known to me.

We’ve got corruption problems and it continues to root itself deep in the fabrics of the nation but, there are changes being done as well. No one is actually speaking about it but it’s coming.
Like, a state in Nigeria which I wouldn’t want to mention; where we have an out going governor through corrupt practices puts a government in place and designs a structure for indirect rule of the state even as he serves as a federal minister, with hopes to have 25% of state allocations.
The incumbent government deemed it well to kick against the injustice that was to be done to its people and with the backing of his people and court, his being going about revolutionizing the whole state. Trying to ensure peace in the crisis that was to follow but still, no one would talk about that.

Acknowledging that Nigeria is corrupt doesn't mean that the people are bad/ evil. The people are just plain ignorant because of the level of their societies. The same was true for western societies for a very long time. Even today, you will find ignorant Americans who will talk about Flat earth, conspiracy theories and will be downright supremacist and racist. Those people are in every country. Yet, due to the level of leadership, social debate and human values, these societies have gradually reformed from within.

We have to be laser-focused that reform needs to come from within. And diverting the corruption topic by making it about how the people are not bad or how the country itself is being manipulated by Americans, is a sure shot way of being a useful fool in the hands of the very politicians who are the cause of social/ economic degradation.

Quote from: letteredhub on January 07, 2024, 07:42:18 PM

You talk about me not blaming the WEST and Europe for the underdevelopment of Nigeria, yea, you're right, it's been years since independence but let me make it clear to you that there's difference between Political independence and economical independence. There's the political but in a cloak the economic independence is withheld and may of the African countries leader's that tries oppose that economic dependency automatically becomes an enemy of the WEST/Europe a clear example (which I expect you will refute) is Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi of Libya. What happened when he took the decision to cut economic ties with the WEST and gave unprecedented development both human and infrastructural development to his people, he was tagged a tyrant, a dictatorship, and how was his end? Today what is the current situation/condition of living standard in Libya compared to when he Gddafi was in leadership position, one that refused to be a stooge to the West.

Neocolonialism is now the new order but no one is talking about it. Nigeria leaders are corrupt I don't dispute, but the question is who are those aiding this corruption and benefiting behind the curtain. No body is talking about that.

Another educated person who thinks he has it all figured out because he uses big words like "Neo-colonialism". Are we going to talk about "Cultural appropriation" next??

Your theory goes that the developing world sucks because the West doesn't allow them to progress. You talked about Gaddafi. In Libya and the other Arab Spring countries, all that the west had to do is destabilize an already precarious peace between generally two warring parties. Do you care to ask that why the fuck are those people, who are Arabs on both sides, Muslims on both sides, speak almost the same languages; still can't reconcile their differences and give a "Fuck you" to the west??

It will always be in West's geopolitical interest to keep the Arab/ African lands destabilized and dependent. So they do it..Why the fuck can't those people figure out how to stop killing each other??

Take Sudan's example. The people are very much ethnically same but those from the North consider themselves Arabs and Muslims while they see the southerners as Ethnic Christians. Now that North-South separated after years of bloody conflict, each of them is again busy in fighting along their own ethnic, religious fault-lines. (Nuer vs Dinka in South Sudan. Army vs Revolutionaries in North Sudan)

What you guys in Africa and all of Arab world need to realize is that the West isn't the root cause. The root cause is the deep divisions within your own societies where you are willing to kill your fellow countryman if he happens to be from another ethnicity/ religion/ language/ ideology.

But yeah, "Death to Gamora" is so much easier of a rally call to keep all the sheep in line.

Nothing wrong with us. We are all awesome people. It's America doing all the destabilization!