Quote from: BlackBoss_ on Today at 01:15:55 AM

Quote from: BabyBandit on Today at 01:12:33 AM

Simple answer: No.

No we don't need bitcoin mixers, actually it's very few things we need in life, but we get addicted of stuff because we are humans and that's in our nature and we got that in our brain.

Yes and No, depends on you and others with different needs and different technical ability to use bitcoin in private manner.

If I am a non tech person, want to achieve privacy, but feel headache with Coin join transaction, I will have need to use mix services. It will cost me more but if I can afford to pay the service fee, I will use it.

If I am a person who does not care about privacy, mixing services are not in my thinking. KYC is not a big problem for me.

I suppose this is the way to put it most simply, though it's not good practice to:
- Trust custodial services (let alone trust the coins within them) by default just because of laziness to learn basic technical features, like coinjoin.
- Using KYC services even if privacy is not a focus (privacy aside, this opens the door to identity compromise down the line).

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 02:27:14 AM

No, you do not need Bitcoin Mixers, and you don't need Monero either. You can hold your own keys while turning your Bitcoins anonymous using coinjoin transactions. Here's a massive coinjoin transaction for over 600 BTC that confirmed earlier this week:

Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on Today at 11:33:16 AM

Quote from: supporterofpeace on January 07, 2024, 07:26:11 PM

What do i miss?

It's not like Bitcoin Mixers are too necessary for privacy. We can increase privacy following the methods you have shared. But, that's too much task to do. While Mixers take a few clicks only. When you could do it with a few clicks, why do you have to do that many transactions as an alternative? Mixers are banned in this forum, but they are still online. They are banned here does not mean we cannot use them.

Whoever used the mixers before and loved the idea will keep using them. Most of the forum users do not have dirty money to clean. I don't think forum users use Bitcoin mixers too much. The mixers do not expect huge traffic from the forum. They were here to build a reputation, so they could get trust from their users.

Overall accurate points, +1

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 01:00:33 AM

Quote from: supporterofpeace on Today at 12:07:52 AM

I see your point of view and you are right, I totally agree. But your answer has nothing to do with the original question.
I asked that why do we need bitcoin mixers, if there is Monero. We can change BTC to XMR and vica versa on no-KYC exchanges, and make an XMR to XMR transaction between the changes. This is a theoretical question.

XMR is by regulation standard a AEC (anonymity enhanced currency) which also flags up as suspicious if found users are converting btc to xmr.
so investigators do try to watch XMR too

Measuring Mixers vs. XMR in the eyes of regulation or the "algorithm"/"flags" would be an interesting visualization, if there ever was one. I don't think it's right to consider all XMR transactions as suspicious and I think that it would be infeasible to flag them all as suspicious, it would also be difficult track XMR > Other cryptocurrency transactions where a non-kyc service is being used.

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 01:00:33 AM

Quote from: supporterofpeace on Today at 12:07:52 AM

I see your point of view and you are right, I totally agree. But your answer has nothing to do with the original question.
I asked that why do we need bitcoin mixers, if there is Monero. We can change BTC to XMR and vica versa on no-KYC exchanges, and make an XMR to XMR transaction between the changes. This is a theoretical question.

so finding a service that does it without KYC becomes difficult because most advertised exchanges have to register as money service businesses and then comply to regulations..
any MSB not complying to regulations by not registering usually gets caught

It would depend on the jurisdiction as well as the way it is operated.