Quote from: o48o on Today at 02:43:10 PM

Quote from: legiteum on January 18, 2024, 04:04:05 PM

Sure, based on certain attributes, you can create any sort of grouping. But under your definition here, in the USA, the Republican party is mostly "leftist" these days. And Democrats are often "conservative" (viz. their support of Ukraine or opposing Trump's corruption).

According to my own definition? This doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you got those terms mixed up?

Um, no? If you define "conservative" as being in favor of a stronger national defense and a stable, law-abiding government, these days the Democratic party in the US is the one that's mostly in favor of that, and the Republican party is mostly against that.

What got "mixed up" is that the parties just reversed themselves in the last 15 years. Republicans are now calling for the regulation of industries that make their voters angry, along with all sorts of things that are not traditionally "conservative". The term might have meaning academically, but it doesn't relate to anything in the real world anymore, at least in the US.

Quote from: o48o on Today at 02:43:10 PM

And what does "not driven by any sort of ideology, or ideological spectrum" means?
What are every tax that's used to build for common good, or worker's rights a result of then? Why do they even exist if not because of ideology? Even if a country would be ran by companies without any any restricting laws, it would be considered as ideology. And parties are supposed to be representations of ideologies.

What the Nazis, the Soviets, Chinese Communists, and a bunch of other regimes showed the world is that the ideology was just window dressing for a dictatorship. And once you have a dictatorship, what "the people" think is meaningless. And the new versions of those regimes in Russia and China shows that the dictators there don't really care about any coherent ideology outside of remaining dictators.

Now, if you want to talk about democracies, that's a different story. But I would argue that here in the US our two political parties have mostly or entirely abandoned their traditional ideology in favor of promoting whatever it is that gets them elected.