Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 08:54:18 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 19, 2024, 11:42:26 AM

Seeing as you DT distrust me and have never felt the compulsion to stand on your own two feet to say why you did so

I explained my reasons to you on multiple occasions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271997.msg55093424#msg55093424
Still, not that it matters now - I'll drop off the DT selection algorithm soon enough.

Quote from: mindrust on January 19, 2024, 03:21:33 PM

If I were Leo, I wouldn't even create this thread.

I completely understand that position. But after many years here and several users I would consider friends, I felt I owed the community a basic explanation at least. And not to mention that this account would be highly valuable if sold, could be used to scam, could take out large no-collateral loans, and so on. Better to remove all doubt.

Thanks to the users who reported the trash and the mods who cleaned this thread up. I think it's probably run its course now. I've got a few more PMs to send over the coming days, but this will be my last post. Farewell everyone.

I started to draft my response to post within o_e_l_e_o’s Farewell thread, and then he closed it, and surely I would have preferred to have had made this post in that thread…. since I think that once the decision had been made to open such a thread, then a week or more would have been better to have had kept it open, as he indicated in OP…. maybe even a couple of weeks would have had been better to really allow for members to find out about the thread – even though surely the haters are going to come, and maybe I am thinking that it is just better to let the whole thing run once it had been decided to open it.. and some of the over-the-top haters’ posts will end up getting deleted… but some of them will likely continue to stand and even sometimes derail the thread… but that’s how the forum has been going, at least since I have been trying to pay attention to the forum... and o_e_l_e_o’s already existing post history of 16,676 should speak for themselves to some extent, to the extent that they are not deleted.

I do consider that there likely is a bit of a dilemma regarding something like saying goodbye, and many folks cannot really know their own demise, and I cannot completely discount Leo’s own perceptions and/or judgement in this kind of a situation, yet we can ONLY speculate in regards to what kind of presumptively degenerative condition (that goes beyond mere aging) had been affecting him and continuing to affect him, and some conditions are more degrading on physical and mental performance than others, and who can know it one way of going would be better than another, and sometimes we might not know whether we have any options to choose our participation or our involuntary removal from participation whether it is in a forum like this or otherwise…

There likely are quite a few forum members who have had either gone through some kind of near death experience and/or come into some kind of experience of their own or even being close to others who are going through such experiences, that may help each of us to relate to reconsiderations of our own mortality.

Having a longer term degenerative condition may well force more dealing with situations of thinking about mortality and even loss of physical and mental functions.. including my own ongoing concerns and mentioning in regards to how much energy any of us (including yours truly) might feel that we have to be able to engage in powerful physical and/or mental functions, versus still being able to function but not necessarily with a lot of power, and just not at the top of our game.

Surely one of the benefits of the mental function is that it may well still be able to retain a decent amount of high performance in spite physical denigration, but the physical and the mental still remain connected, and recognizing that time might be coming closer to the end is likely more of a recognition that bodily functions are likely getting into further and further deteriorated states that are less and less likely to reverse in any kind of meaningful and/or life sustaining kind of way.

I appreciated some of the earlier posts in Leo’s farewell thread in which there was discussion of a need to fight until the end, and surely if someone has had a known degenerative condition for many years, then I would presume that there likely has been ongoing fighting, which Leo also mentioned, so we should not presume a lack of fighting, while still recognizing at certain points, it may well be better to voluntarily leave certain activities, such as posting in a forum like this, and to focus on other kinds of activities (such as spending time with family or even wrapping up personal matters, but then there also is still going to be a lot of solitary time.. so I cannot say how one might deal with that solitary time without necessarily knowing specifics). Even if there might be little to no expectation of living further beyond a certain amount of time (such as a couple or maybe a few months), sometimes some of those calculations could end up being correct, but there could end up being just changes in the activities and maybe the estimations regarding how much time is left is wrong in either direction, yet we would still need to accept and go by o_e_l_e_o’s representations in terms of the person best to know how much time remains for him and also how he chooses to spend such time, within his own presumptive limitations.

Over the years, I had come across quite a few of Leo’s posts, and even had a several interactions with him. There may have been a time or two that someone referred to Leo rather than o_e_l_e_o, and maybe that could help to put a person to a nym, and surely one of the values of Leo’s posts still being on the forum is that we will be able to go back through them, and maybe even understand them better upon reading them over and over. I am not going to proclaim to always really know the meaning of Leo’s posts, since frequently he had been posting from experiences and knowledge areas beyond my own understanding, so sometimes, there can be meaning that is not recognizable on the first reading, yet at the same time, because of his leaving, we won’t be able to interact with Leo in a live way, but ONLY will be able to see the contemporary interactions of his historical posts, which may or may not help us in our attempts to try to interact with ideas in a live way… so there is historical live and there is live, live, which surely is a sad thing to lose the live, live potentiality that comes from any currently active forum member.

I am not sure about the odds that Leo will see or read this post, and I do not necessarily want to put any additional pressure on him or my already stated opinion that it would have had been better to just let his own Farewell thread run longer…

Yet, I am still going to say farewell Leo and I hope that your final blue marble time is without any excess pain or suffering… and if there is such a possibility for a meeting for some beers or otherwise in some kind of time/space hereafter then I am looking forward to such.