Quote from: LaudaM on April 23, 2014, 07:56:13 PM

If you avoid eating the cow, a lot more additional plants need to be eaten to provide you with enough calories.

I think one problem our population has is that not many people know about nor have tried meat substition. Calories is no problem because a lot of non-meat foods such as french frys or beer for example have a huge ton of calories.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 23, 2014, 01:15:36 PM

Quote from: kuroman on April 23, 2014, 12:27:45 PM

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 23, 2014, 11:57:48 AM

Without plants you wouldn't be here either. Your argument is without meat we wouldn't be here, to which I reply with, without plants you wouldn't be here. You can also argue plants gave you evolution.

No I do not argue about such a thing where do you see me doing so, see the difference between us? is that I do not denies that plants are important to us, while you do argue that meat is not, so your argument is invalid here and I still have a point

That is pure fallacy. Humans didn't evolve to use computers either, but here we are doing it now, right? Humans might not have evolved to eat purely vegetable food and meat substitute either, but who says it will not work out? Evolution is about adapting to an environment. We no longer live in an environment where meat is necessary to survive.

Quote from: kuroman on April 23, 2014, 12:27:45 PM

I said it's not easy and I backed up my point, there is no over confidence here.

Not so easy, but what is easier, giving 80% of all our crops and 50% of all freshwater to animals (that includes showers, pools, drinking water, hose water, etc) or planting crops? Also, it takes 2400 gallons of water to make 1 pound of meat. How is that efficient at all? Right? When you can eat meat substitute in comparison, it is so much easier to produce plus can have the same nutrients and more.

Quote from: kuroman on April 23, 2014, 12:27:45 PM

Or destroying the animals habitat to build more farm and crop lands? is this really an argument? most of the meat we are eating nowadays we are producing our selfs so no we aren't pushing cows, chicken or fish to their doom and in remoted regions like in some regions in Africa people who hunt for their meat aren't the one endangering the species if I recall correctly.

Why do we need to destroy animal habitats to build more farms and crop lands? Like I said 80% of our crops go to feeding the 1 pound of meat you eat, same with 50% of all our water. We wouldn't need any new crops if we gave more of it to ourselves.

Quote from: kuroman on April 23, 2014, 12:27:45 PM

Please check your argument again which clearly was that cholesterol and fat are bad for your health which is totally wrong, Abusing them it's what bad. as for the "Fact: Half of all men in the US will get Cardiovascular Disease." it might be true, but what does it have to do with eating meat? some are fat just from eating fried potatoes and other vegetables (doesn't mean abusing meat won't result to this) abusing anything can ruin your health thus like I said before balanced diet is the key!

Yes balanced diet is the key. But like I said above, you don't need to eat meat when there are better substitutes that are much healthier, easier to produce, cheaper to buy, and can taste better.

Tell me what is easier: Eating regular meat that has a lot of bad stuff for you OR: Eating meat subtitute that is easier to produce, has none of the unhealthy stuff for you, and has more nutrients overall such as antioxidants and fiber.

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I would like to quote this so people in this new page can see that meat substitute can be better for you.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 23, 2014, 03:33:16 AM

Like Lynn says, Tofurky sausages taste pretty much exactly like meat. Not all are vegan compatible though and they are mostly made up of soy, I still suggest trying them out though because they taste really good.

What I would recommend though is what most people have never heard of:

These patties are huge, mass of 106g, you wouldn't believe it was only 160 calories. They look like how they are in the pictures, wider than most burger buns. These come in packs of 12 for ~$10.50 so you can eat two a day and it will last you a week.

My favorite thing about them is that they are not mainly made up of soy. As you can see from the ingredients, it's made up of a bunch of different vegetables combined. No artificial ingredients. And it tastes really really good. You can find these at some Wal-Marts, some Costcos, and some Sam's Clubs.

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Another suggestion I have, although it's not vegan it's still very delicious:

Note how green it is on the inside, it's mostly made up of spinach and chickpeas and it tastes really good. You cook these or heat them up in a microwave and then you can eat it any way you want.

I haven't bought any of these lately for vegan reasons, so the only place I know that has them right now is Costco. I think they were around $8-$10 for a pack of 10, but overall these were much heavier than the Veggie patties shown above.

Veggie patch has a lot of different versions distributed to your local supermarkets but are otherwise are the same thing shown above.

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Interesting facts about animal meat:
- They have zero fiber and are high in cholesterol
- They usually have zero carbs and have little if any antioxidants
- They are high in fats and high in the unhealthy kinds of fats
- Meat is treated with all sorts of toxics and chemicals crap not good for your body

Compare the nutrition facts above for the 106g of Veggie patty to this 85g of meat patty and tell me which one is better for you.

Here's a video I recommend to watch about foods that will kill you: Foods that Kill