Quote from: LoyceV on January 29, 2024, 01:44:08 PM

Quote from: crypto4design on January 24, 2024, 05:52:25 PM

he sent it in two transactions one before the work started and one after, I didn't notice at the time, but after I finished the work I found out that fixedfloat are freezing my money

So you got partially paid up front but didn't check it before you did all the work? I find this hard to believe (and incredibly dumb). Trusting an anonymous website with a large amount of money at once was dumb too. You could have made several smaller exchanges, to reduce the risk of ~~selective scamming~~ freezing your money.

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a guy approached me for a website, and I did the website for him

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January 7 post on bestchange
https://i.ibb.co/HdZ4swM/x8.png

I'm curious: on January 7 you posted about a project that started in December, and paid €8k. That's a very high payment for working on a website for maybe a week (first payment: Dec 21, second payment: Jan 2). And 365 days maintenance was also paid upfront?
I get that this story raises suspicion.

What do you mean with 30% Bitcoin transaction fees? Fees were high, but sending 0.067 or 0.138 Bitcoin with one input would have taken 0.0002 Bitcoin at most. That's 0.30%.

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https://i.ibb.co/vmTftfP/ff2.png

So this basically means criminal funds in this case have successfully been laundered, even though the victim contacted fixedfloat? This is exactly what fungibility means, and it's exactly why the whole idea of "taint" is BS.

Quote from: crypto4design on January 24, 2024, 10:58:45 PM

i think i will be first guy who killed himsef over being blocked his own money my luck is really fucked up i got job after 2 year being unemployed worked always below developler average payment and finnaly when i got experience and start to get reputation i get fucked on my first big payment job

This makes your story about earning €8k in a week even more difficult to believe.

Quote from: crypto4design on January 25, 2024, 01:07:07 PM

I Needed to force customer that i will not make any updates or maintain website as per deal if he doesn't contact them

So far for your "reputation". If your customer paid to the Bitcoin address you gave him, he's done his part. You're now showing to be an unreliable business partner by changing the deal you made after you were paid. Your customer can't help that you used someone else's address.

Quote from: crypto4design on January 25, 2024, 03:14:51 PM

Customer has much of rich clients

Quote from: crypto4design on January 25, 2024, 09:59:57 PM

my customer and forcing him to tell where his funds came from which again he is doing trading signals and they pay him/tip him if signal is correct

That's another thing: this whole "signals" business is very shady. I've seen spam for it countless times, and I bet it's abused for pump and dump schemes too.
This story smells.

Quote from: crypto4design on January 25, 2024, 10:11:25 PM

We need the following information from you, as the sender of funds for the order:
1. How do you find customers or do they find you?
2. What kind of services do you provide? Send us your service announcement (screenshot or link to your ad).
3. Where do you communicate with customers?

The more I read about this case, the more I think there's more to it.

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 26, 2024, 03:38:03 PM

We received information from partners that the funds at the address were obtained through criminal means.

Which "partners"? Be specific.

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our partners (other exchanges and cryptocurrency services) and victims who contact us.

In this case: if you know the funds are stolen, and you know who told you about it, have you contacted the "partner" or the victim to tell them the joyful news that you found back their stolen money?

Quote from: alterra57 on January 26, 2024, 04:05:08 PM

I have asked OP for txID

It's in his screenshots:
842005fb2433d12308d94b0c492bd950ad0aa53ce33aa9a6ff3aa53934ec80f1 and cfcfcdfd29ccd5bb0aaf852076ab9fdd22895d9474c88f84add7f61c53866b73

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 27, 2024, 11:46:43 AM

Funds from our hot addresses are automatically consolidated to our main addresses, as funds are sent from us only from our main addresses. Thus, law enforcement agencies see that the funds have been transferred to the addresses of our service.

Following the above transactions, it looks like you've "mixed" OPs funds with other funds and consolidated them into bc1qns9f7yfx3ry9lj6yz7c9er0vwa0ye2eklpzqfw. Aren't you concerned that those funds you deemed criminal are now in your own address, meaning anyone that receives Bitcoin from your exchange now receives some of those criminal funds? It shows once again that "taint" is only made-up BS.

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The funds remain frozen at our addresses, and when the frozen funds are seized by the authorities, they are also sent from our addresses.

That's not true. You say the funds "remain frozen", but that can't be since you've mixed them already.
The first transaction was mixed in this transaction and that same output was used to sent to another address. The second transaction was mixed in this transaction and also sent to another address. None of the funds were frozen in your wallet, you're normally using them to pay other people.
To summarize: if those funds came from criminal activity as you claim, you've now sent it to other innocent users who now own those "tainted" Bitcoins.
It sounds very much like you only care about "taint" when it's convenient for you.

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 28, 2024, 03:36:06 AM

Since the OP is not the sender of the funds, he has nothing to do with the funds sent to us.

You're omitting the fact that OP initiated the exchange on your website. Of course he has something to do with it.

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all the funds sent are related to criminal activity. We cannot disclose the details of the incident publicly, as the disclosure of such data may adversely affect the investigation

This once again comes down to "taint" being completely arbitrary: the transactions were published in this topic. If certain addresses are "criminal", and you happen to know about it, why don't you publish a list? Who decides this? How is this verified? Do different exchanges use different lists of what they consider "tainted"?

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 28, 2024, 04:08:59 AM

At the moment, the funds are frozen, and no operations are being carried out with them.

That's a lie, as pointed out above.

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We value our reputation and do not want to be complicit in crimes

Cool story. Except for the fact that you didn't freeze the coins, and sent them to other addresses (most likely owned by your other customers). How are you going to explain to them how you got those coins, if they come back to you because they are "tainted"? It seems like you're demanding much higher standards from your users than from yourself.

Quote from: nutildah on January 28, 2024, 05:09:14 AM

2. OP's employers are still on the hook for paying him the owed amount.

OP gave his customer a Bitcoin address to pay to. They paid.

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 28, 2024, 05:48:22 PM

we must make sure that the funds were received in an honest way

And there's the problem with "taint" again: what's legal in one place, may be illegal in another. You're not even sharing which jurisdiction applies. Depending on where you are gambling or prostitution can be perfectly legal or a crime. Now who's going to judge who's "honest"?

Quote from: crypto4design on January 28, 2024, 10:31:54 PM

After everything they are asking my customer to undergo KYC procedure which he AGREED ON now watch them ask him his mother birth certificate

Say what? It sounds a lot like data mining from an anonymous guy who's hiding in a tax paradise.

Quote from: crypto4design on January 28, 2024, 11:14:20 PM

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We do not practice KYC verification, as we value the anonymity of our customers, but since in this case the risk of exchanging or returning these funds is high for our service, we can make an exception. At the official request of law enforcement agencies for this transaction, we will be able to provide your data for communication.

@fixedfloat: can you confirm the above 2 statements (mother's birth certificate and law enforcement request) are true? I'm especially curious which law enforcement agency allows you to refund stolen funds in exchange for his mother's birth certificate.

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 29, 2024, 06:19:45 AM

Our partners use exclusively analysis services

You mean the companies that sell this "service" and turned the notion of "taint" into a business model? The companies who's sole existence depends on people buying into the "Bitcoin isn't fungible" attack?

What do you mean when you say you're "partners" with "analysis services"? I can imagine you buy their "service", but if you're "partners", does that mean you provide them with data too (maybe an overview of all exchanges ever carried out on your platform)?

Quote from: fixedfloat on January 29, 2024, 06:23:51 AM

We receive information about thefts and fraud from our partners (other exchanges and cryptocurrency services) and victims who contact us. All evidence is carefully considered.

Great! So let me ask again: have you contacted the "partner" or the victim to tell them the joyful news that you found back their stolen money?

@fixedfloat: please use the quote button instead of bold font inside a quote, and read the forum rules (edit your post instead of posting 4 times in a row).

I spend quite a lot of time digging through all posts and data for this case. TL;DR: OP's story sounds shady, and fixedfloat lied about freezing OP's funds.

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