Quote from: bitmover on Today at 08:42:32 PM

Quote from: hZti on Today at 08:36:36 PM

It does not make any sense to me how some hardcore nerds are really this far in the digital world, that they think they should invent a second layer payment system that people should then use everyday. This will never catch on, and if it will it is still idiotic.

So you think that if you buy a $2 coffee in Starbucks this transaction should be registered in all computers running bitcoin in the world? Inegociable?
This is what makes zero sense to me. I see no "idiotic" trying to find a solution just to put high value transactions in the main layer in the future.

And use second layer (like LN or other)for small tx

Bitcoin is very powerful, yet even if at some points in the future, there might be long periods of time in which it is costing $1k or more to settle transactions on the main chain, that might just be part of the direction that bitcoin develops. And, yes there are second and third layer solutions, so we are going to be witnessing how a lot of this is going to play out with the combination (or is it called sharing of UTXOs), even if some folks seem to not like the ways that some of this is going.. and the high fees are ongoingly inspiring ways to continue to perform small transactions in economical ways, even if they might not be on the base chain.

By the way, don't get me wrong. I personally have been quite frustrated by the extended higher fees in the last 2.5 months or so.. at least from the beginning of November through the middle of January and various other points in bitcoin's history, especially starting around February 2023 when the ordinals/inscriptions were introduced. So yeah, poor people are going to have to clean up their UTXOs otherwise be unusable, and that kind of sucks.. yet there likely are going to be some innovations in which transactions are still going to take place and bitcoin is still going to empower poor people, even though there may well be extended periods of time in which the smaller transactions are not economically feasible on the main chain.

Another thing that I have been considering recently is some of the proclamations that channels are being made for miners to receive payments outside of the main chain incentive systems, and so therefore they are processing transactions out of order, and so whether such an attack or such a deviance from bitcoin's built in incentives is sustainable remains to be seen.. even though surely in recent times fees have been coming back down, but there still may well be shenanigans going on with some of the likely ongoing out of band (or off chain) payments.