Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 23, 2014, 05:55:17 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 04:54:19 AM

Right-wingers have their Bundy ranch militia clowns.

The real clown is the double douche Harry Reid and his idiot son, and not the poor people who were trying to guard their ancestral land from the goons of BLM. What you will do if your land is seized by the government?

For those of us who have some understanding of the U.S., the concept of special dynastic privilege is one of the things we threw in the trash from the get go.

Senator Reid didn't read the memo. The USA (and the world) is run by family dynasties that form a global oligarchy.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

But the whole point is mute because Bundy is full of shit about how long his family has been at that location. If his great-great-grandpappy was not so focused on nailing as many adolescent girls as possible or whatever Mormans did back in the day

So now we see your real reason for hating on Bundy. You don't respect his culture nor religious freedom.

I have no problem with polygamy. Who the fuck are you to tell another man how to manage his sexual affairs?

You are liberal control freak. Always jealous of what another person has, and think you can top-down plan a better world.

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

and more focused on actually buying land that he wanted his progeny to control then Cliven wouldn't have this problem.

Leasing is more efficient than purchasing in some cases.

I think he even said in one interview that he wishes he could buy the land.

His point is that any grazing fees should go to the local county government, to be used for the people that publicly own and use the land. He is for democracy.

Whereas, you are for fascism, totalitarianism, and "social equality" enforced nation-wide.

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

Additionally, by the dynastic privilege argument the whole fucking thing belongs to the Piutes or Shoshones or some such.

Then let them come try to take it from the ranchers. It has been clearly shown who won those battles and who will win them again.

The ranchers live there and defend their property and homes. You don't live there. The BLM doesn't live there. The Indians no longer live there.

I am part Cherokee native Indian, and I no longer live nor have a claim to the ancestral Cherokee land.

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

Looks like the guy bought himself a nice little excavator (Japanese of course) with the proceeds that he got complements of the welfare subsidy that he enjoyed at the expense of taxpayers like me.

Bundy is receiving welfare payments for his kids? Citation please?

If he is, I will wholeheartedly support calling him out on this.

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

From what I read, the BLM puts considerable resources into making a lot of the land under their control conducive to agricultural utilization in addition to a raft of other uses. Shit costs money, and the grazing fees help defray those costs.

Oh fuck if you are going to argue that national top-down management of resources is more productive and more fit(ness), then I will just have to press the "ignore a mathematical idiot".

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2014, 07:29:58 AM

For my part, I pay a chunk of money every year for our local forest fire protection department (which is legally barred from fighting structure fires) and am glad to have their services

Nothing wrong with having local community policies, so that those who don't like them, can choose another locale they prefer. But one policy administered by one agency for the entire nation is not fitness and it is not competition between locales.