Quote from: paxmao on Today at 10:45:18 AM

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Quote from: paxmao on February 07, 2024, 11:37:36 PM

Quote from: Branko on February 07, 2024, 08:45:05 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on February 07, 2024, 08:34:44 PM

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

Russians were oppressed in parts of Ukraine, similar to Albanians on Kosovo been oppressed by Serbia.
So, similar to Albanians, Russians in parts of Ukraine declared independence.

USA, instead bombing Ukraine like they bombed Serbia, decided to arm Ukraine so
they could oppress Russians more...is that double standard or what?

Official line propaganda again. Ruzzians and Ukranians were living peacefully, with many people speaking both languages. Putin used the usual strategy of creating a problem by financing protests and creating a situation of violence. Then sent in two army corps to invade parts of Ukraine under the excuse that there were people "oppressed".

It goes like this:
- You have a big problem because you do not know what time is it.
- Oh, really, I had not noticed anything
- Just a second, let me break your watch.... now... you have a big problem, because you do not know what time is it.

If burning people alive because they protested peacefully is your idea of " living peacefully" then OK

This look like peaceful guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

Poroshenko was an advocate of joining the EU and, while someone did a fantastic job of removing all context of this speech, he is clearly speaking about economy. By joining the EU and getting investment, jobs, social rights, pensions,... that is how you win over Ruzzia - and that is what Putin cannot afford of course. And that is how you really win the war, by creating a future for Ukrainians.

It looks to me that this proves that Ruzzia was financing of groups to de-stabilise the region resulting in clashes and what is in fact a proxy war from Ruzzia. BTW, this was after Ruzzia invaded Crimea.

Yes, when people use violence they may get violence in return - I am sure you know about it. I would not expect you to tell all sides of this story anyway, whoever brain-washed you did a great job.

It makes me wonder under what kind of conditions would the European countries agree on admitting Ukraine into the European Union. They obviously would rather to not accept the entry of Ukraine while they are still actively fighting the Russian army and whatever is left of the Wagner group of mercenaries. Putin may be aware we cannot allow Ukraine to take over those occupies regions again, because as soon as Ukraine managed to get all back and secure it's border, then the president of Ukraine will push forward for their entry in the European Union.
I doubt Putin would be reckless enough to attack again when Ukraine is an active member of the European Union, because that would imply a very big escalation on the conflict and going against more countries than he can afford to fight. Not even mentioning Russia's economy is several times smaller than than the Economy of Italy alone.
Though, I would be afraid that if Putin does not care about any of those conditions, he could unleash the third world war by attacking Ukraine again and leaving the ball on what to do on the European side of the field. He would make it see as if was the EU who sought for an escalation and not him.