Quote from: lobbes on April 24, 2014, 01:27:52 AM

There are Professional Trolls in these parts, sure, but part of vetting a business is trying to poke as many holes in the plan as possible. This will still happen in a moderated setting, albeit with less chaos.

I definitely understand that, my problem is that without seeing my business plan I don't see how it could be constructively vetted. In my next approach I will try to make it more succinct and professional and hopefully just have a reasonable business conversation. As a few key facets of the plan are confidential (which I understand has been used as a bogus "excuse" in the past here), it makes it more difficult to have an open conversation about the entire plan. I'm not looking for an IPO though, moreso a few key investors, so this plan won't just be offered into the publics hands for debate.
I will post what I can, and ideally the way I would like for it to happen (let me know if this is possible in a forum setting, I'm not really that much of a forum junkie) is to have a thread with the basis of the idea as much information as I feel comfortable sharing with the public in a self modded setting, and then a separate thread that would be invite only for private viewing. I could use the private thread to invite only the people who have signed the NDA and seen the entire business plan so that we could have an in-depth conversation regarding the intricacies of it, and use the initial public thread as merely the gateway to link interested parties to it.
The only problem I see with this is that I have only had one person sign the NDA thus far and check the plan out. I think it is mostly due to the way this thread has, as jimmothy so eloquently stated, "gone to shit".
So hopefully in a self modded, non-derailed setting, I can have a legitimate enough conversation with interested parties that I can have a little more valid participation.

Let me know if that seems like something that would work here.

Quote from: DanielVG on April 24, 2014, 01:30:41 AM

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Tomorrowland - $100,000,000 - 75% ownership

I'm pretty sure that's not true.

Edit: I checked this and SFX bought ID&T, the company behind tomorrowland. But the organizers Manu & Michiel Beers bought back 100% of tomorrowland's shares.

sorry i'm Belgian, tomorrowland is like my baby, telling it's 75% in american hands makes me nervous. Tomorrowland is still Belgian, phew...don't scare me like that!

Yeah sorry that is more specifically what happened, SFX owns 75% of the ID&T company, but the original owners of Tomorrowland bought back the rights to Tomorrowland itself.
ID&T throws many other shows though like Mysteryland etc all through Europe, and the primary reason for the acquisition of the company was to have the rights to bring the Tomorrowland and Mysteryland brands to America to exploit the exploding festival scene that is going on. Tomorrowland was their baby though and they didn't want to risk anything happen to it. Sorry to have worried you

Quote from: jimmothy on April 24, 2014, 04:34:39 AM

I don't think the paid trolls have anything to do with this thread turning to shit.

It has more to do with the absurd/unprofessional money grab from the OP.

As for "mindless ignorant posts" I would say the OP is the most ignorant post here. You create a title akin to "send me money for 5000% return" and expect us to take it seriously.

Get real.

I wouldn't go so far as absurd, it was not as professional of an initial outreach as I could have done, and that is my fault for not investigating my target audience as much as I should have. I assumed there were members of all kinds of this forum (which I'm sure there are, the active ones are more of a professional-demanding mold though) so my pitch was more catered to appealing to everyone who might view it.
Trust me when I say that 5000% is not an outlandish amount though. I would be more than glad to explain why, but to see all of the details I will have to ask you to sign a mutual NDA.

I will be making another post in the near future that I hope can please everyone and start some forward progress. I sense that there is some interest but having heard of all of the scamming that has gone on in the recent past I understand why there is a lot of skepticism.
Looking forward to speaking with everyone again soon.