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Are there any specific rules for operators?

See: Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign).

Nothing here addresses campaign managers/advertisers manipulating speech.

Correct. It's not forbidden.

It's not addressed period. Since some here argue that it's not right and some argue that it's an acceptable power for advertisers/campaign managers to have, I believe admins/mods should make it clear whether a signature campaign implies a purchase of your freedom to speak honestly or not.

It's obvious enough that if you are hurting the reputation of a brand, you don't deserve to be paid by them. It's not obvious that you can't talk honestly about similar services or brands in a positive light based on experience or opinion. I'm sure if a campaign manager made it as clear as what's in bold, they'd receive backlash for manipulating speech.

If it's allowed, then icopress should add that to the wasabi campaign rules. I'll be the first to judge against it.

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Can they threaten campaign positions for content that is not actually dangerous to anyone, just like the OP?

Yes, of course

"If you post about Kitchenaid mixers again, I'll stop paying you" is a perfectly fine deal. Take it or leave it.

Would that not cause people to compromise their honesty?

Maybe. But if their loyalties can be bought, I'd argue they were never honest to begin with.

I see your point, though I don't think it's entirely relevant nor accurate enough to be considered a very strong point.

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Did the OP really go out of their way to recommend Sparrow, or did they just participate in normal conversation?

I don't think OP was talking about himself.

Did the user the OP is referring to* Apologies. I will admit I misinterpreted that pawel7777 was the victim.

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If I have a signature for Bitcoin Core and someone asks "what is everyone's favourite wallet?"
Does that mean I have to say Bitcoin Core even though my honest preference is Electrum?

That's up to you. Lying is allowed on Bitcointalk.

Just because it's allowed, it doesn't mean that one should. Especially while helping someone with a choice or giving them your opinion. Since you've raised my curiosity, how often do you lie on BitcoinTalk? Maybe that's a good topic to give me a reality check...even though the data would probably be inaccurate Roll Eyes

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If I say Electrum can Bitcoin Core kick me from the campaign rightfully?

Of course. They can choose who they pay or don't pay.

Doesn't sound like that's right, though I can't argue with that specific comment.

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If I say Bitcoin Core instead of Electrum just to keep my signature, isn't there a big problem with that?

You could just say nothing.
I've often seen the opposite argument too: if you say the thing in your signature is good, people say you're shilling. It's a fine line, which is why I don't want to adjust my posting based on my signature.

So helping another member who is asking for experience or opinions would then be foregone, just for the advertiser? Still doesn't sound right to me.
Shilling is a little bit different...it's repeated subtle promotion, no? If I share my opinion once when an OP asks for it, it's a little bit different to me running around the forum posting about (shilling) a specific thing.

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Does signing up to a signature campaign now mean that we have to be mindful (or have to compromise) our honest opinions?

I try not to. That's all I can do. I'm glad no one wants to pay me to say Hamilton Beach mixers are better than Kitchenaid mixers Tongue

Well in my opinion, you shouldn't have to try if it's not directly harming anyone/any brand Roll Eyes

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I suppose my idealistic view of advertising is different then. I don't think advertising should influence speech, period. That just feels what is most right to me...

In the real world, advertising influences pretty much everything around you.

And is that right? Wasn't Bitcoin created to change a part of the world that is wrong? Are we aiming to be like the real world on Bitcointalk, or something better? That is an option and power that we as a community have, one of the beauties of the internet...Why not have the goal to be better, instead of using the real world as justification not to be better?