Quote from: Odohu on February 19, 2024, 09:35:36 PM

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 05:04:23 PM

Are you serious about this? yes, I like bitcoin but in my risk management calculations, bitcoin has high risk and the price is too volatile, it will bring big risk when I need funds suddenly, I don't want to sell my bitcoin when the price is low because of sudden need so having other investments that are stable is certainly important

Having other assets is also a preventative step so that we don't rush to sell our bitcoins when there is an urgent need

Aside Bitcoin there are other physical investment that could be worth our money especially when a person has enough resources to meet up his Bitcoin investment and the alternate investment.

We understand that there are other investment portfolios that one could consider outside Bitcoin but the truth is that our focus here is Bitcoin and how to make the most of it. There is therefore no basis for this comparison because even the forum is Bitcoin focused. Instead of the comparison, we could channel the energy on how to collect more Bitcoin as the future is already looking so bright.

I see no problem comparing bitcoin investment to other investments - but those kinds of topics are not very central to this thread, and likely will lead us too astray to go down those kinds of comparison paths - even though sometimes we can still talk about the role of diversification - even though that also is not the topical thrust of this thread. which like you mentioned Odohu is bitcoin first.. so let's figure out bitcoin first before devolving into considerations in regards to potentially related concerns, but not getting distracted into the related concerns.. therefore working towards keeping our focus upon king daddy, aka my lil precious.

Quote from: I_Anime on February 19, 2024, 10:39:43 PM

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 05:04:23 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on February 19, 2024, 04:50:25 PM

you cant have bitcoin as an alternative and try going for any other form of assets for an investment,

Are you serious about this? yes, I like bitcoin but in my risk management calculations, bitcoin has high risk and the price is too volatile, it will bring big risk when I need funds suddenly, I don't want to sell my bitcoin when the price is low because of sudden need so having other investments that are stable is certainly important

Having other assets is also a preventative step so that we don't rush to sell our bitcoins when there is an urgent need

Yes, despite the strong feeling towards Bitcoin it is very unsafe to solely become much dependent on the profit to be gotten from our Bitcoin investment. Aside Bitcoin there are other physical investment that could be worth our money especially when a person has enough resources to meet up his Bitcoin investment and the alternate investment.
Bitcoin would give profit same with the other but in the case of Bitcoin likely as you said, may not be able to get the opportunity of collecting back your profit at the right time at which it is needed due to the market experiencing a dip.

literally there's no investment without any certain risk attached to it. Talking about risk in Bitcoin, yes!! Bitcoin have some that's still attached to it because of it's volatility.

Many people actually confusingly equate volatility to risk, which truly is not the case.

Yes, bitcoin is very volatile and also nearly inevitably going to continue to be very volatile for the next 8-20- years or longer..

Some people like to proclaim bitcoin is becoming more and more stable, which largely is either a bunch of bullshit or wishful thinking or merely spin that is neither true and is not likely to be true in the future, even though they are seeming to want to make themselves feel good about investing in bitcoin.

Sure, maybe once bitcoin gets into the territory of 10x to 100x larger market cap than gold (which would be $5 million to $50 million prices), then maybe it will start to become somewhat less volatile at that point. maybe? It is not guaranteed that it will become less volatile even then (which is actually 100 to 1,000x larger market cap from now), but it seems to make sense that 10x to 100x larger market cap than gold would cause more capital to get its price to move.

Another thing is that there are a lot of ways to attempt to deal with bitcoin's likely ongoing, persistence and inevitable volatility... and a decently first way of dealing with it is to recognize and appreciate that it exists and is going to continue to exist.

Quote from: I_Anime on February 19, 2024, 10:39:43 PM

But still the fact still remain bitcoin one of the best investment, most time the reason why some people are still saying that the risk in bitcoin too much is because they don't have the mindset of long investment (also don't understand the concept of investing in BTC).

Sure having a long term mindset and a long term way of dealing with bitcoin's volatility is likely helpful, and even more helpful if BTC prices end up going up, which is not guaranteed, but many of us know that bitcoin still remains a great (if not the best) asymmetric bet to the upside, as you mentioned.

Quote from: I_Anime on February 19, 2024, 10:39:43 PM

Because doing long-term investment is constant that doing the holding the price would surely move up and down. But still before bitcoin hit it's current it's experience alot of dip and increase first. But investors that hold doing those time till now would they be in profit No!.

Actually you are correct that either ongoing buying and/or buying on the dip would have ended up being more profitable than just holding since it would have had lowered the average cost per BTC.

Quote from: I_Anime on February 19, 2024, 10:39:43 PM

They would be in massive profits. Neutralising the risks with good strategy and healthy holding.

Of course, including ongoingly buying.

Quote from: I_Anime on February 19, 2024, 10:39:43 PM

While its come to thinking of investing in other project, because we all know they are different types of investment. Which may help in also getting good asset, but am not normally freak by such investment. Because I have a certain goal to hit In my bitcoin with the use of DCAing and other suitable strategies, so am focusing more of my percentage in accummulating BTC and other for emergency funds. So if you're someone that also interested in investing in the Other investment outside or inside this space and you accumulating BTC try and focus more percentage in the accumulation of bitcoin.

Yep.. that surely seems to make a lot of sense. Keep building. and staying focused on BTC, and you likely are going to find that you have more options in the future, even though it could take a while to play out and of course, it is not guaranteed.. and so in that regard, since it is not guaranteed, that should help in figuring out what is going to be an appropriate size to reach and/or to maintain through such likely ongoing process of accumulating and/or maintaining.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 11:47:52 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 19, 2024, 05:08:52 PM

Like what other investments? what investment is better than bitcoin?

No, not better, just safer. I think I need a safer investment as a backup for emergencies, like gold.

That is retarded.

Gold is not safer than bitcoin, and you must not recognize, understand and/or appreciate what bitcoin is if you believe that gold is safer than bitcoin.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 11:47:52 PM

I need to have land assets to survive (make a house, grow crops). If investing in stocks or real estate, of course it is no better than bitcoin

It is probably worse, especially if you are a brand new investor. If you already have them then maybe that would be another story in terms of figuring out if you need to diversify out of them, and of course, stopping investing in those other things and investing into bitcoin is another way of diversifying out of some of your exposure in other asset classes.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 11:47:52 PM

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 05:04:23 PM

Having other assets is also a preventative step so that we don't rush to sell our bitcoins when there is an urgent need

You seem to be talking about down the road in your investment journey rather than any kind of investment prerequisite before getting started in terms of investing into bitcoin.

Yes, I just think that I can't invest 100% in bitcoin.

Sure, I would not recommend anything close to 100% in bitcoin, even though some people are able to do it.. but starting out somewhere between 5% to 25% in bitcoin could be a reasonable position, yet each person has to tailorize his exposure to bitcoin in accordance with his own personal circumstances.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 19, 2024, 11:47:52 PM

Maybe I want to have an investment portfolio like 10% cash, 10% gold, 30% land, and 50% bitcoin. At least this is a percentage and risk that I think is quite safe

Again, you must be talking down the road because I see no reason to focus on anything beyond bitcoin and cash in the beginning, and then once you build up your investment portfolio, then you might consider something like land and/or maybe equities.. but gold? bitcoin serves a similar purpose as gold but better, so I don't see any reason to get exposure to gold unless you already have it then maybe you figure out if you are going to keep it. But getting exposure to gold seems like a pretty BIGASS waste of time and not necessary, unless you happen to live in a situation or location that people are already accustom in trading in it.. but that seems less and less likely these days... but hey, whatever. Guys can do what they like in terms of those allocations and when (at what stage in their investment life) they might allocate in some of the assets that are neither bitcoin and cash.