Quote from: nara1892 on Today at 04:52:43 PM

Quote from: Odusko on Today at 02:50:47 PM

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Simply put, bitcoin accumulation is for everyone but not everyone has a good balance regarding financial matters, there are some of them who have an income that is only enough to meet their needs and there are also those who have some money from the rest of their needs,

and the second point I mentioned that has the opportunity to start engaging in bitcoin accumulation, none other than because after all, life needs are the most important and must be prioritized aside from the desire to engage in bitcoin accumulation.

As you said that it is recommended to use the remaining money from all the needs that have been met first, and this situation is a safer situation for someone to engage in bitcoin accumulation. On the other hand by looking at the current bitcoin price situation, I think we all agree that bitcoin will be able to break the previous ATH.

You are correct. You can ONLY invest in bitcoin or anything else if you have disposable/discretionary income. So if you don't have any extra income, then you either have to increase your income or decrease your expenses, otherwise you won't be able to invest in bitcoin or anything else.

There might be some other ways that you could still invest, besides money, but of course, the way that bitcoin is designed has quite a few benefits in buying the tokens (i.e. satoshis).

If you don't have your life needs covered, then you may well end up devolving into gambling if you are trying to invest in bitcoin but you don't have things/needs in your life sufficiently covered.

Quote from: nara1892 on Today at 04:52:43 PM

I think everyone already knows that the rules of engagement in investments to be profitable are to buy at low prices and wait to sell at high prices, but the problem is that not everyone is able to be patient to really wait for the highest price that can really provide significant benefits, in some cases many of them are too fast in terms of taking profits, one of the causes may be the "worry" within themselves which ultimately makes them make the decision to cash out early. But actually concern is a natural feeling for all investors because investment not only provides profit opportunities but also has the possibility of risks that cannot always be avoided completely, everyone has a sense of concern but not everyone has a broad understanding and insight into the potential of bitcoin itself so maybe that's what makes them make decisions too early in terms of taking advantage.

There could also be ways to invest a little bit less, so that they are not so worried about their investment. I know that sometimes the amounts can be so small that it might not seem to make a difference, but if someone might be investing $10 per week or $10 per month and consistently doing it, then it can add up, but if $10 per week is turning into too much, then they might have to cut back to $10 per month and study what they are investing into, but at least if the got started, then they should be more inspired to learn about it.. including investing no more than they are willing to lose, so they have to be completely clear that they are not going to need the money for 4-10 years or longer, and so that means that they have to have other ways to deal with emergencies.. whether an emergency fund or some other kinds of ways so that they do not have to tap into their investment except at a time that is completely of their own choosing.. maybe thinking even further down the road.. like 10 years or longer before they can even touch it... $10 per month is $120 per year and $1,200 over 10 years, while $10 per week would be $520 per year and $5,200 in 10 years.. and yeah. if they are in bitcoin for a while 2-4 years, they might start to feel more comfortable as they learn more and more about it and get used to how to secure their private keys and things like that.

Quote from: Troytech on Today at 08:11:40 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 27, 2024, 08:15:56 PM

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I agree with you on this, the only way to actually prepare for ups would be to have more bitcoin in your stash, and In trying to prepare for ups with front running I've understood from your comment that I should also have a back up plan in case things go against me cause I can never truly be sure about the movement of the market there is also every possibility that the price could just start going down, and if that happens the only way I can stabilize my average DCA buying is to buy more at those lower prices to balance it up and that is the only preparation I've learnt to keep my floats and reserves for situation like this,

I like to think of the Emergency fund that you never would tap into unless it is an actual emergency, and then you try to replace them as soon as possible... so yeah usually a minimum of 3 months, but probably up to 6 months or more, especially once your BTC investment gets to be sized at 6 months or more of your income.. Think about if your BTC investment is around 8x your income, then you might start to feel liberated, but you still might want to even keep more than 6 months of an emergency fund so that you do not have to tap into your bitcoin at a time that is anything other than your own complete choosing.

I like to think about reserve funds as some things that you might be more than willing to tap into, but you might have it set aside for specific reasons such as: 1) a dip in BTC prices, 2) some extra kind of consumption that you want to do 3) some surprise investment that comes up

I like to think about float as something that is a bit out of your control.. it is just there. Let's say that you have various accounts and you are keeping track of them, and you have an income that is anywhere between $1,500 and $700 per month, and your expenses are usually around $900 per month... so whenever you get paid (let's say that it is just once a month), you already know that you will have to already be ready to pay $900 worth of various bills and they have various dates that they are due, so maybe your account itself, you have already projected that the account never goes below a certain amount (perhaps $600), and then when you get paid $1,500, and if your account is at the minimum amount, then you would have $2,100 in the account but you know that you are going to have $900 worth of expenses and $600 left over to do whatever you like... so the $600 that you keep in your account no matter what could be a kind of float, and the $900 worth of expenses could be a kind of float too, even though it is already allocated to various expenses, that come due at different points of the month. Maybe you go shopping every Thursday.. and then you have a certain amount that you spend through the month for transportation and food and other incidentals, and then you have utility bills and rent/mortgage that are due a certain day fo the month, and the bills might be due at various points, but you know that every month that by x date.. right before you are getting paid, then you will have at least $600 in that account.. and sure if in any month you end up having more than $600, then that extra amount could be considered float, too.

So, yeah you could be right that your float and your reserves might not be designated towards anything, but at a certain point you might have them designated to buy on dips.. because maybe you are not really sure about the exact amounts of each of your expenses, so you might have to keep some extra float (or dedicated money) for those uncertainties, too.. and if your finances become more complicated, you might have to raise the amount that you always keep in your account from $600 to $1k in order to attempt to account for the uncertainties... and so then maybe we could be quibbling about what to call each of these, since sometimes the names might overlap, until we give the funds a specific designation and we realize that the amount in our account is able to absorb designating the funds towards BTC purchases or whatever rather than just keeping it in our account and not being designated.

Quote from: Troytech on Today at 08:11:40 PM

but nevertheless I am still watching the price and I think we might have a new ATH this year and there are some times that bitcoin also never returns to previous prices and if that happens I would be on a very positive profit on my portfolio.

We are already well into noman's land, so it would be difficult to presume anything other than the ATH being imminent.. and no man zone is between about $55k to $82k.. so the whole price area of no mans zone should be considered as imminent.. even if it might end up taking a bit longer than expected to play out.. In other words, we do not tend to hang out within 20% (in either direction) of previous ATH prices. Do with that information whatever you like.. because none of us know, but we should not be surprised to pass straight to $82k, or maybe we bounce around here in no man's land for a few weeks.. .. but either of those scenarios would be relatively short periods hanging out in no man's land.... and yeah, sure some other variation could happen.. but I would not get my expectations up too much for some other scenario... absent some kind of strong evidence in that direction.. .. .

yeah we went straight from $51.5k to $64k in a matter of 2 days and 2 hours (50 hours).. that is a $13.5k (24%) increase in price in a pretty short period of time.. so yeah. that is seeming like it is too much too fast.. but who knows.. we are still right in the middle of no man's land.. so I would not be surprised to keep going.. even though some time might need to be spent around these here parts in order to let the buying support catch up.. .but at the same time, there is only about another 8% to go in order to get from $64k to $69k.. so that is almost too close to be diddly daddling around in these here parts for very long.. on the other hand dropping down to lower $50ks or going up to upper $70ks seem almost equally plausible... 50 50.. for each of those..

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 09:38:55 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 08:02:15 PM

Some people do not start to think about selling their coins until they are 6-8 years or longer investing into bitcoin, and even then they might be a bit cautious about how many they start to sell.

Maybe you have been in bitcoin for nearly 2 cycles, but have you accumulated BTC during that time? Have you beat the returns that you would have had gotten from merely accumulating and holding rather than trying to fuck around with selling and buying back lower?

That's quite a good point sir that if someone targets their investment in the long term and if they exit early then they have failed in their planning. I think time passes so fast because in 2022 when the market changes suddenly it becomes a big dump but gradually it passes so quickly. So I think the 10 year target is quite reasonable where we just need to be consistent in what we have done, namely buying and buying.

Yes, maybe those are 2 different cycles from what we are experiencing at the moment, where in 2022 there be a significant downward cycle and this year big changes occur where the up cycle will be our spectacle.

Down is going to come at some point, yet it is a matter of how sustainable the down is and also how much of a blow off top ends up playing out.

Frequently there are several seeming blow off tops in a cycle, but we dont' really know when is the last blow off top of the cycle takes place and if the correction ands up being a long period of time and maybe even exacerbated by extremes.

Based on our current conditions it is difficult to expect that we are going to be having any blow off top any time soon.. but then even the last one could have had been considered to be quite a whimpy blow off top, and some folks like to proclaim that blow off tops are going to become more and more tempered.. but that does not seem to be what is going on now.... and I see no reason to not have one or two pretty big blow off tops between here and the end of 2025. and yeah is there going to be another blow off top in 2026, we cannot know in advance.. just as we cannot know for sure that there is gong to be a couple of blow off tops between now and the end of 2025... maybe we get 2 blow off tops in 2024 and another 1 or 2 in 2025? I am not going to say.. or maybe 2025 ends up being a bear year.. I am not going to say, even though that seems outside of the current set up.. while at the same time, historically, bitcoin has been full of surprises even though when we look back, we can give some explanations for the patterns that we can identify.

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 09:38:55 PM

So profits are visible in our portfolio, but that doesn't make us sell our BTC holdings because our target is not short term but long term. Well, if we sell and buy again, I think that's not our option because that is a trading method, but we choose a method for long-term investment

You have to decide for yourself it you want to try to take that kind of a strategy. I personally think that it is problematic as a strategy, but I came into bitcoin at the top, so I was buying mostly on the way down and also mostly during the down period. There could be different considerations that guys do when they are coming into an upcycle. and if they don't have enough funds to front load, then they are faced with DCA.. and if you have stacked a certain amount of BTC, you have to consider if it is enough and if it would be worth it for you to sell any of it rather than just continuing to buy until you are more clearly feeling that you have enough BTC and maybe that you have more than enough BTC.

For example, in your case, you have been here since mid 2016, so you should have had time to accumulate, and I cannot remember your story.. so if you did not start trying to accumulate until later, then maybe you still have less than a year or two of BTC in your holdings, so if you keep buying BTC and you if you have 2 years of income worth of BTC in your holdings. .and then if the BTC price were to go up 6x from here, then that 2 years turns into 12 years.. no it is not quite fuck you status and it is also measuring by spot price rather than the 200 WMA.. so I am not sure, if you might want to sell some.. because you have way more options if you have those kinds of numbers versus someone who might have accumulated less than a year's income, so then if you accumulated less than a years income and then the price shoots up to cause you to have 6 years income, then it seems less compelling to sell any or to get into any system that you are starting to rake profits. We are getting beyond the topic of this thread no? Even though you might have some dilemmas about continuing to buy or maybe if you might either hold more cash in reserves or maybe put your cash into other things, even if you don't sell any BTC.. I surely don't know the answer, even though you should be able to plot out your situation in terms of what conditions might cause you to shave off some of your profits, and looking at some of the raking discussions like in my chart and post.. and plugging in your own numbers.