Quote from: Branko on March 16, 2024, 08:24:42 AM

Quote from: paxmao on March 15, 2024, 09:54:56 PM

Ah... so whenever Putin invades another country or promotes separatist to generate a proxi-war is the fault of the US - they even send the same mysterious guy and voila!. Putin has no imperialist goals, only cares about what is best for all? Or for the Slave "race" maybe? ... I see, interesting theory.

Let me ask you the same question then, how many Ukrainians would be dying if Putin had not sent the army? Would it be so bad for Ukrainians to join the European Union and start getting a chance at prosperity? What is so wrong with it?

Putin is not there to "free" anyone, it is there to kill whoever gets in the way of his empire. I am not sure what happened to all Georgians, I am certain of the ones that were killed by Putin's vision of the world and what is the place of Ruzzians. Not even of Ruzzians really, more of the Moscovian and Petesbourgian elites.

I am not sure if you believe that Ruzzia still represents somehow any ideals other than Tzarism. They are no longer commies Branko, they are just as capitalist and corrupted as it gets and if you feel they are protecting some idea of pan-Slavism or a type of culture I do not think is the case either. This is just the elites of Ruzzia versus the elites of other countries and, in the middle, the Ukrainians trying to get a decent future for their children.

I have surprise for you...its ALWAYS elites, on all sides. But for some reason Rooineks, Yankees, Russians...all want it to be THEIR elites
At this time, its Rooinek and Yankee elites at Russian doorstep, not the other way around
Keep your "Rooineks and Yankees are here to bring freedom and democracy" childish comments for some more naive people

Well, it seems that I have a surprise for you: it is not always the elites. The most notable examples of revolutions in history (France, USSR, China's cultural revolution, Romania,...) did not come from the wealthy elites, but rather from people who were tired of being taken advantage of. Yes, nobody is going to bring democracy or a participative regime to a country just like that and there will always be external influences, but in the end, it is the people who decide if they are willing to fight to change the way things are and if they can get away with it.

RE freedom, not everything is the same. Iran is not Norway, China is not France and Putin's Ruzzia is not the European Union. All of them have pressures and allies or presence of whatever bases, but what a citizen can do and the economic constrains are completely different. You could probably understand this better if you were a woman in Saudi Arabia, an homosexual in Iran or anyone in North Korea. Liberty does exist to many degrees.

I think most Ukrainians do want that change because they know that whatever comes from Moscow is going to be good... for Moscow. They simply want to have the freedom to decide their destiny by themselves and I do not see how this cannot be fair.