Quote from: Bravut on March 18, 2024, 11:44:18 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 18, 2024, 10:22:41 PM

Traders are fucking around with short term price moves and likely to get fucked in times like these when they are likely selling too much too soon.. and investors do not sell until they have already reached a decent status, that is most likely going to be over at least a whole cycle and maybe even at least a couple of cycles, and investors may only sell parts of their holdings rather than all of it... but hey, there can be quite a few variants of both traders and investors.

I don't know if there is any word known as Short term investors, I would have used the word for Traders.

It could be that we are quibbling about semantics, and I personally would suggest that the bare minimum to qualify as an investor in bitcoin is to have at minimum a 4 year timeline to stay in, and perhaps someone 4-6 years might be considered a short term investor.. but yeah, perhaps that is quibbling a bit.. yet my main point of contention is that when guys try to suggest that they are investing if they have less than a 4-year time horizon, and in regards to bitcoin, I would call those guys traders rather than investors if they go into bitcoin with a plan to play this cycle or to get in and out in less than 4 years.

Sure, some of those guys might come into bitcoin and plan to get in and out, and then they might end up changing their mind and end up staying longer than their original intention, so sometimes it can be difficult to pigeon-hole people too much in terms of what they might be intending to do from the start, to the extent that they even have a plan.. because some people might not have very much of a plan, which might be o.k. too.. especially if the person is DCA'ing, and he might get in and decide that he is going to DCA for 6 months to a year and then reconsider how it is going at various points along the way,

...and I suppose that there is nothing really wrong with that, especially since one of my own pieces of advice is for people to get the fuck started, and to figure out the details as they go, since there is some importance in getting started, even if it might ONLY be $10 per week... and then there is potential for some better abilities to pay attention and to learn when someone has some sort of a stake in bitcoin rather than having no coins and just pondering over the theories about entry points and all that baloney. The entry point is get the fuck started, and figure out the details as you are going.. while you are doing your $10 per week or whatever amount is chosen as a starting point.

Quote from: Bravut on March 18, 2024, 11:44:18 PM

Traders are only present in the market for instant profits, whereas Investors are long term viewers of the market.

Even though technically, you are likely correct, but that kind of a distinction seems too superficial.

Quote from: Bravut on March 18, 2024, 11:44:18 PM

Most bitcoiners are likely to get drowned this season because of price movement and greed. Those that are selling now should realise this is just the beginning, if you are selling now it should be a little but i don't see the need of selling this time and soon regret will kick into the market because of this panic sells and the failure to understand that price moves up and down in corrections, the main priority now should be accumulating, holding and buying more bitcoins.

Surely, I agree with you about this, and we know that bitcoin's history is littered with previous BTC HODLers who sold too much too early, and they are later kicking themselves for their short-sightedness, and this kind of history is going to continue to repeat itself.. People who think that they are so smart because they sell their whole stash of 50 BTC that they bought for $250 each in 2015 (and so they invested $12,500 into bitcoin) at $1k in early 2017, and brag because they got $50k for their investment and they made 4x profits... so they are so smart because they are walking away with $37,500 in pure profits.

And, after the fact we know that there are so many better ways they could have played that quantity of BTC, including selling in increments, and ending up being able to sell all the way up to $20k.. and still holding more than half their stash. .instead of selling it.. and yeah maybe they could have bought back and maybe they would have never ended up with 50 BTC again, but now if they are wanting to use their $37,500 in profits, they are only going to get right around 0.5 BTC or perhaps 0.6BTC, if they catch a dip...and 2015 is not even that long ago..

We could come up with some more similar examples using the 2018 to 2021 period to show similar kinds of mistakes of selling too much too early, even though 2017 was a pretty brutal year for the non-believers who sold way too much too early... especially anyone selling below $4,000... and even though they might have had some opportunities in 2018, and 2020 to buy back below $4k, it was not really a great selling point.

Each cycle has its own variations, so none of us really know anything for sure, and so we can ONLY attempt to prepare ourselves within the resources that we have available..

You are pretty new to the forum, Bravut.. so you may well be really early in terms of your own bitcoin accumulation - especially if we are to use your forum registration date as a reference point.