Quote from: MainIbem on March 22, 2024, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: Onyeeze on March 22, 2024, 09:16:12 PM

for Bitcoin holding and the long-term investment it is actually occur by Plan and if you don't have that mentality of long-term holding your Bitcoin to will not be opportunity to make such profit that you are anticipating for that is why a good investor at first scrutinize the market structure before the person goes into investment to know if the market will be productive for each self any investor of Bitcoin always calculate very well knowing that there is two things that is involved in long term investment especially when you are holding your Bitcoin for each to appreciate you before you sell and they make a profit.

No one would just venture into market without them drawing their analysis to know when is the safe time for them to enter market or not, just as what happened recently when the market touched 73k plus and people with this mindset rushed to acquire more asset thinking this could possibly break out the market to hit 100k. But unluckily that was the worst entry from any trader although I can't still dispute that after halving we could still witnessed another new ATH but at this point those who already jumped into the market are just like people who jumped from fire to frying pan without any rescue except we have finished halving before the main bull run will come, at that moment investor can decides to take profits from every investment except such person has decided to hodl for decades.

You seem to have a pretty narrow view, and you also seem to assume that because the BTC price has gone up then it is bound to correct, which may or may not be true.

If you do not have any bitcoin, then the ONLY way to prepare for UP is to buy bitcoin.

Furthermore it can take a real long time for a newbie to build a bitcoin portfolio, perhaps 10-15 years or longer, so there could be a lot of value in getting started, rather than waiting.. and no one really understands all aspects of the bitcoin market, so there likely is no problem to get started and to learn as you go and learn as you are initially establishing your position, whether you are starting with $100 per week or $10 per week or some other amount that might be appropriate to get started.

Quote from: Humblevirus on March 22, 2024, 10:09:53 PM

Quote from: MainIbem on March 22, 2024, 09:26:39 PM

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The individuals who consistently attempt to gauge the Bitcoin market before investing are often short-term holders. In contrast, those who adopt a long-term approach may not focus as much on timing the market meticulously before entering. Instead, they gradually accumulate Bitcoin until their allocated funds are exhausted. Vigilantly timing the market can result in significant losses for some investors. This situation reminds me of a friend who has been timing the Bitcoin market since it reached $20k He now waits for the price to drop back to $15,000, hoping it will decrease even further.However, this strategy caused him to miss out on purchasing opportunities when Bitcoin was valued at $20k, $30k, and $40k. Yet, he persists in attempting to time the market even as the price drops to $50k

This is a very good example. .The need to get the fuck started and to figure out some of the other details later.

Quote from: Humblevirus on March 22, 2024, 10:09:53 PM

I am not suggesting that timing the Bitcoin market is inherently bad; indeed, it can be beneficial if one can buy at a low price. However, constantly trying to time the market, especially when planning to hold onto Bitcoin for the long term, can be a futile endeavor. In fact, because of this focus on market timing, some individuals later make attempt with the money they have plans for to invest in Bitcoin.

Timing may well be a more advanced technique and also apply to someone who had already established a decent bitcoin position.. and yeah, almost no one needs to be fucking around with time, especially if they are starting out without any bitcoin.

Now, if they have $12k that they can invest into bitcoin and maybe they have another $6k that they are going to earn over the next 6 months, then they have $18k over the next 6 months, and if they don't want to invest it all (even the $12k that they currently have available), then maybe they could start by investing $4k to $8k right away and then dividing the other portion into buying on dips and/or DCA... yet one of the important things is to get started with some kind of plan and then if the person is really whimpy then maybe they don't invest right away and maybe they set up some buy on dip points, but that is likely a loser strategy if they are starting out without any bitcoin, so even if the BTC price might start to correct, it is probably better to get the fuck started with some kind of investment right away and then perhaps supplement with the other strategies of buying on dips and DCA.

But hey whatever, people can do whatever they want, and if they are no coiners and lowcoiners who are waiting for dips rather than acting, they may well end up being on the wrong side of the greatest wealth transfer known to man because they were too timid in their ability to figure out some kind of a working position size, even if it might be starting out whimpily. .whimpily is likely to be better than nothing...Of course, no guarantees, yet each of us are responsible for our own actions, and even failing/refusing to act is an action and each of us is responsible if we choose to go down the course of failing/refusing to act.

Quote from: teamsherry on March 22, 2024, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: Hewlet on March 22, 2024, 07:50:02 PM

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Things like pension are not very reliable sources of investment and from the persons age he should be quite old and retired if he is living off pension, so investing in bitcoin to reach a fuck you status should be around 1 bitcoin or 4 bitcoin for him( just assuming), which should be almost 300k$ and yeah considering his age he wouldn't have enough time to invest, so let's say he has 4-5 years to get to this fuck you status of 4 bitcoin then we should be talking about an average of 1.4k invested weekly for 206 weeks and yeah bit woudl do it's usually of having ups and down, but if he is only relying on pension to get to this fuck you status that would be realistic, cause I've heard that sometimes pension pays can be delayed, and apart from that we can't expect him to invest so much in bitcoin at that age cause he might be considering his health and well being which might already be eating off a major part of his pension. So your damn right.

I think that you are trying to pigeon-hole too much if you are trying to describe a pensioner in too much of a narrow way, because there can be pensioners who have differing levels of pensions, and also pensioners who are newly starting to draw from their pension or pensioners who might have had been drawing on their pension for a lot of years.

Surely any pensioner would have to consider his investment timeline of 4-10 years or longer and also might need to focus on whether he is able to at least invest a minimum of 4 years, and the concept of fuck you status might not really apply so much for a pensioner, especially if the pensioner is already NOT working, since the idea of fuck you status is being able to discontinue working.. perhaps even before such a time that regular folks go into retirement status.. so a pensioner is largely already in retirement status, even though there still are going to be some pensioners who might still work and some of that extra work might be due to necessity and other might be as a form of optionality and not directly motivated by finances. even though presumably anyone who is working would be receiving money for the work.

Quote from: teamsherry on March 22, 2024, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: Hewlet on March 22, 2024, 07:50:02 PM

What would have worked well for most public workers is that the amount that's taken out of their monthly salary for the purpose of pension would have probably been invested into an asset at least five years to thier retirement and they will be allowed to take it out at the time of their retirement.

This isn't a bad Idea but you can't be relying on the government to make good decisions for you concerning your future, I think a more better situation would have been to start
Investing in bitcoin earlier with the DCA method even if it's only small amounts of allocation to it and that would stack up over the years, even better to become fully responsible for their retirement by going all out to invest in bitcoin and preparing for the retirement themselves.

Pensioners might already have a lot of experience investing. It seems problematic to be considering pensioners as if they were just starting out, and another thing is that any part that they invest may well start to be drawn upon down the road, so maybe if a pensioner invests $50 per week into bitcoin for 4 years (which would be $20,800 invested), then maybe after 4 years or so, then maybe the pensioner will start to withdraw some amount from the pension . maybe if the amount had appreciated to $40k, then maybe the pensioner could start to withdraw at somewhere around $100 per week or some other amount that the pensioner believes to be a good supplement of his income... so then if he does not have any idea of when he might die, then maybe he could keep withdrawing at $100 per week for 10 years or longer.. which in part might depend on how well the BTC keeps its value and whether he is withdrawing at a sustainable rate... as i describe these ideas in my sustainable withdrawal thread.

Quote from: teamsherry on March 22, 2024, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: Hewlet on March 22, 2024, 07:50:02 PM

Most countries like mine has a routine of taking 8% of yyour monthly income which will accumulate to what you will receive as pension after retirement, it's mostly calculated before you receive your monthly pay and the rest comes in as your salary. If you work for an average of 30 years, then imagine if that 8% of your income was actually invested into an asset instead of lucking them up to be paid in installments at the point of your retirement. This goes to show the value of the knowledge we have now with respect to investing using the DCA strategy. What they where doing is basically saving in fiat using the DCA strategy but because fiat is subject to inflation and don't really gain value after all the years of saving, the value of the amount that's being paid as pension end up not good enough to sustaining most retired people and some that should have been enjoying thier retirement benefit and would have reached the fuk you stage would find themselves in a position of thinking about making investment at an old age.

I still stand on my ground that it would be better to take this action yourself than rely on government to think in terms of what woidl be better for you or not, anyone that has been working for over 20 years and let's say with an income of 5000$ and decides to remove a little percentage of this as 5% which would be about 250$ to invest in bitcoin through DCA method on a weekly interval which would be a total of 25% monthly invested I bitcoin would be on a much better track than and has a better chance of a good retirement than any pension salary, okay let's imagine that the government didn't take any amount from their salary and pension became optional, I still doubt that many would still consider bitcoin even as the best over the pension, so yeah this decision to invest in bitcoin would be a self decision.

There is a difference between starting from scratch versus if someone is already receiving or about to receive a pension.. so of course, at any point in time, a person can supplement their other kinds of income by investing into bitcoin. They do not need to exclude their other sources of income merely by choosing to supplement their income with their bitcoin investment that later down the road may well come in handy in terms of providing more options, whether someone is brand new to bitcoin and investment or even if the person may have already been investing int bitcoin and other things for many years, there could be decisions about whether to increase a bitcoin investment, which might even sometimes have options of rolling other investments into bitcoin which can come at various stages in life in terms if someone is already retired or perhaps nearing retirement.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 22, 2024, 02:50:42 PM

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I basically wanted to understand here, start the investments at a small level and increase it slowly. But if one starts with big planning then it can be seen that sometimes he gets into any kind of problem. But as far as I have seen small investments play the most effective role in the long run. Because small investments are easier to make than large ones.

You likely should want to try to be as aggressive as you are able to be without ever touching your BTC investment for 10 years or longer... so if you are more easily able to resist touching your BTC if you invest a smaller amount, then that is your choice.

There are so many people who are unable to resist touching their investment, and you seem to be that kind of a person, so you have to figure out a way to teach yourself how to invest in a long time period without touching the investment and letting it build and grow. Likely part of the solution is that when you invest, you also create an emergency fund that you never touch and then also establish reserves that you can touch and also a float which also is going to vary throughout the month.. so in the end you have to figure out way to maintain layers of protection so that your bitcoin is not serving as your emergency fund, and you are exercising responsible financial management that you likely are mostly using your reserves for any fluctuations and emergencies and you hardly ever would be touching your emergency fund absent a big emergency.. but if you prepare, you may well not even have to touch your emergency fund in an emergency because you would likely spend from your reserves first.. but of course, however you set up these funds and put them into practice is completely within your discretion and hopefully any amount you put into bitcoin can be stocked away, perhaps 10-15 years or longer. especially for guys like you who seem to be tempted to dip into your bitcoin investment way before it is even time to be dipping into it..