Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 01:32:40 AM

So let's say a guy is in pretty good shape, so he can do between 50 and 80 pushpups at one time (so maybe his average is 65 pushups per session)... and then maybe he has about 5 minutes rest between each session of pushups. but it takes him almost 2 minutes to do each of the sets of the 65 pushups.

so for such a guy who is in good shape, his push up sets might look something like this:

1a) 65 PUs - 2 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 65 PUs and 7 minutes

2a) 65 PUs - 2 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 130 PUs and 14 minutes

3a) 65 PUs - 2 minutes - 5 minutes rest -running total of 185 PUs and 21 minutes

4a) 65 PUs - 2 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 260 PUs and 28 minutes

Half way there in 28 minutes, so it seems to me that a fairly athletic guy might have to take at least an hour to get through 500 pushups... especially if he were doing 65 pushups per set and resting 5 minutes between sets.. so it would take 8 sets of 65 pushups to get up to 500 pushups.

I have a hard time imagining 500 pushups in 30 minutes...

Maybe we have to change the number of pushups to try to imagine more push-ups in a shorter period of time?

Let's try again:

1b) 125 PUs - 3 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 125 PUs and 8 minutes

2b) 125 PUs - 3 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 250 PUs and 16 minutes

3b) 125 PUs - 3 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 375 PUs and 24 minutes

4b) 125 PUs - 3 minutes - 5 minutes rest - running total of 500 PUs and 32 minutes

Are you doing something like the second example of 125 pushups per set and 5 minutes break between sets?

I usually like to give guys the benefit of the doubt, but what they are saying has to have some level of believability in order to go along with such supposed scenarios. Your scenario of 500 pushups in 30 minutes hardly makes any sense in terms of believability based on the information that you have provided, so far.

If we are to make certain assumptions, then we would be some worth close but personally, I think 5minutes is way much rest time in between the restart of push ups. Like, I feel the rest before continuation should be approximately the same, 2minutes or less to put the muscles back at it, not having them seem to have gotten way much relaxation. My beginner phase at this, I tried some apps that introduced me to different style of push-ups and you wouldn’t find any or I didn’t find any that have that much time in between the series of exercises that was suggested.
Following that standard, 5minutes seems like a lot of rest time when your not finalized in the push ups.

Fair enough that really fit guys would not need 5 minutes between sets, yet you still have to figure out the extent that it would be feasible to achieve 500 pushups in 30 minutes, even from the perspective of the most fit of guys.. and I am thinking that not even 125 pushups per set would be possible for 4 sets in a row.... so what might look realistic to you? Something like this:

1c) 100 PUs - 3 minutes - 3 minutes rest - running total of 100 PUs and 6 minutes

2c) 100 PUs - 3 minutes - 3 minutes rest - running total of 200 PUs and 12 minutes

3c) 100 PUs - 3 minutes - 3 minutes rest - running total of 300 PUs and 18 minutes

4c) 100 PUs - 3 minutes - 3 minutes rest - running total of 400 PUs and 24 minutes

5c) 100 PUs - 3 minutes - 3 minutes rest - running total of 500 PUs and 30 minutes

This also seems a bit unrealistic to me to have sets of 100 pushups and only 3 minute recovery times and to be able to sustain 100 pushups for each set within 30 minutes.. sure there are likely some elite athletes who could attain such a feat, and so I suppose that we have to presume that AHOYBRAUSE has elite athletic capablities.

Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

Also, maybe we are just averaging it and you already mentioned the rounds to be between 50 - 80 push ups because, archiving consistency about a definite number like 65 or 125 or some other large set is most likely a difficult go through.

Of course, I am averaging it for the sake of being able to more easily calculate and not to overly confuse the matter. There may be breaking points for guys and the amount of rest between sets could help to reset the breaking points, and there also could be a pyramid in which the middle of the sets has the best of performances in regards to quantity and quality.. but at the same time, there are likely differences in terms of recovery times and abilities to perform on subsequent sets if guys work towards complete exhaustion versus if the still retain some energy at the end of any particular sets.

Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

Well, it’s not the difficult we are looking at here as that’s what makes it the challenge but, I feel it’s very unlikely as I speak from personal experience and not just due to the challenge but, even before this.

Hopefully we are speaking from some level of personal experiences, yet at the same time, we might not necessarily need to experience all things in order to have some ideas regarding the extent to which some kinds of performance levels are within a range of normalness or within a range of elite athleticism, so it is difficult to just believe some random internet guy to be proclaiming that he is within a realm of elite athleticism when he is hardly giving any context, just bragging as if we are just supposed to automatically believe that he only bangs 10s.. and he always buys at the exact bottom and sells at the exact top because he is amazingly insightful... blah blah blah. bullshit.

Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

Sometimes, my I try to beat a number but, I can’t do that at the expense of straining my arm or sustaining some injury so, my muscles decide when it’s enough to take a break. Perhaps I had 65 push-ups in mind, around 50+ push-ups, my muscles could get so tensed that, I could go down and not come back up.

Exactly.. muscles work sometimes to the point of failure, and it takes a lot of conditioning to be able to do a lot of pushups in one session (set) and also it takes a lot of conditioning to have a really short recovery time... so I personally believe that my presumption of a 5 minute recovery time is way the fuck more realistic than suggesting something like a 3 minute recovery time, especially when so many pushups are being carried out in each set.

Yeah of course, there are going to be a few elite athletes that are able to accomplish various high levels of push-up performance, but they would be pretty damned rare to be able to do anything close to 500 pushups in 30 minutes, and surely if you have some seemingly realistic formula that is better than the one that I laid out, then let me know.

I personally consider that the style of push ups that this Guinness book of world records guy is doing to be insufficient

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ9TDkMC7w4

He is not even going all the way down..

so it could be possible that a guy is able to do fast pushups that are not really full pushups and to get 500 in 30 minutes, but still I would consider the guy to either be of the elite athlete level or that he is not even doing full pushups but instead doing some kind of a technically acceptable push up that merely brings the elbows a 90° angle. and not bringing the chest to the floor.. I think that my pushups are full body that are nearly all the way down within 1-2" of the floor and also almost all the way up - not quite straight elbow but almost..

Less than a second for each pushup seems a bit too fast, too.. and even thought I don't agree with 2 seconds down and 2 seconds up, I do agree between 1-2 seconds per pushup to be acceptable. and I think that mine are probably slightly more than 1 second per pushup, and so probably it takes me around 45 seconds to do 35 pushups.. .. I might have to time myself one of these days in order to get a more accurate reading of what is my approximate average time per pushup within the context of 40-55 pushups.. which is towards the top of my range and where I tend to be at right now in the quantity of pushups in my sets...

And fuck the idea of doing so many pushups that the repetitiveness seems to contribute towards the kinds of repetition injuries and/or lack of recovery of the injuries like the guy in the video seems to be experiencing... I think that it is more important to maintain and improve ourselves rather than trying to reach records - even though surely there are some crazy nutjobs (including possibly guys participating in this thread (and on this forum) who have crazy nutjob tendencies.. so in that regard, to each his own Cheesy

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Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

Am sure many of us have gotten to that point and in most cases, I either lay flat or push my ass up (sure that doesn’t count, just a get up strategy) and afterwards, I could take a break and drink some water.

That is why it seems to me that you are being unrealistic if you are expecting that 5 minutes is too long of a recuperation time.. but hey you can believe what you like.

Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

As your energy level depletes as you go, so also the number you could do for a round or session.

Sure most of the time, but that also might have to do if you work to failure on the sets or if you stop short of working to failure, since if you stop short of working to failure, you may well be able to pyramid your results.. so the first set is 50, then 60, then 80, then 60, then 50.. .. which would be 300 pushups and maybe you could do these in 20 minutes, but you still would likely need to already be in pretty good shape to be able to accomplish something like that, especially in something like 20- minutes or even within 30 minutes.

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Quote from: El duderino_ on March 25, 2024, 08:27:42 AM

Aaaha in my today WOD at the CrossFit gym it includes almost 100 deficit and normal push ups
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I had to look up. Deficit pushups.. and yeah looks like more range of motion and purposefully slow on the way down, so it would be more difficult than a regular standard pushup.

So you are doing a combination of regular and deficit pushups that add up to "almost 100"? I suppose if you mix them then it is not as hard than if you were ONLY going to do the deficit pushups... so then the question might be whether you are going to do pushups daily or just on the days of your crossfit?

I sure did search out most of the keywords as used here except for linking deficit with push-ups and that’s where I couldn’t come up to make a lot of sense about this. Still, it’s got to be some difficult and challenging approach. Slowing it down, to feel yourself pushing through.

Something like this seems to be what would be considered a deficit push-up.. Sure there could be some differences in how they are done, but having the blocks seems to be the basic idea in order to get a bit more range of motion.

Quote from: JiiBs on Today at 07:23:57 AM

Speed has been some of the means to achieve higher numbers and along the line, you eventually find yourself being slowed down.

We might have differences of opinion about these kinds of matters and some of the pushups might seem to be a bit too fast, and so I would not necessarily expect us to come to agreements about how pushups should be done or how they should be counted, but if a guy is describing how he does his pushups, then at least we might get some ideas regarding how difficult it might be to achieve the quantity that he is proclaiming to be doing.... especially if he might be proclaiming to be doing a quantity that seems somewhat unbelievable for normal people, then it probably is better to provide some kind of a context rather than just seeming to brag about the matter without specifying a wee bit moar better.

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Quote from: avp2306 on Today at 10:49:24 AM

Nope mate you can't short cut or push people to do what is hard for them and as long as they are doing that 8 - 10 push up a day or when they want to do that in a day then its fine as long as they are consistent since for sure the count will rise if they will get used to this activity and they want to see more progress in their body. You don't need to push on your limit since your body needs rest since that's how your body develop some muscle.

What is exercise without you having to push on your limits?

Forgive me but, I don’t quite agree with that concept and that’s why I had to hope that, the user doesn’t weigh so much as in the event that, the user has got weight like a log, fat everywhere, I would try to understand why 10 push-ups feels just right and maximum for a round.

Still, your out to break limits when doing exercises. If your in the gym and you have a gym instructor, trainer or workout colleague right by you while you push through with some exercise, your sure to find that individual gingering you to go for one more and one more and another one and another one and the last one and so it goes… the one never stops until your about your very last sweaty limit and he or she assists to get the gym instrument in place.

I could be that one more and another one here with this post right now. Perhaps it’s the users limit to range a round around 8-10 push-ups but am maintaining that it’s low. It ain’t about comfort it’s a breaking limit. Go for the pain and get the gains!

I tend to agree with you JiiBs, and it is probably better for even a fatty to be shooting for 8-10 pushups per set and 3 sets per day and if he is not able to do 8-10 pushups in one set, then he likely needs to modify the pushups in order that he is able to get a sufficient number of reps to actually make some kind of difference in terms of stress on his muscles (and body) in order to push the body in terms of building to be able to get to more strength and or endurance in the future..

Otherwise, with such low amounts, he may well be not doing enough to actually make any kind of difference... and yeah, in the end, each guy has to figure out these kinds of details for himself, and part of the reason that we are sharing ideas in a thread like this is to sometimes point out some seemingly better practices - including our opinions about better practices, and guys have the right to disagree, too.