Quote from: BADecker on April 03, 2024, 06:46:59 PM

Quote from: ramirkz on April 03, 2024, 03:00:04 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 02, 2024, 04:54:36 PM

The Ukraine war started in 2014 (and actually a decade before with the Orange Revolution) when Ukraine started killing off its own people in the Donbass. Russia's involvement in 2022 was only to stop the killing. But the Ukraine government wouldn't stop, because they listened to leaders in the US who said that the US would support Ukraine.

The result? Ukraine has been destroy, even if the Ukraine and US leaders act like it is still there. Upwards of 400,000 Ukraine people are dead. Millions have fled the country. All that the current Ukraine is, is a military arm of the US with a bunch of Ukraine civilians held captive by circumstances.

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You are right. If you saw - I left link for our site and there our history only from 2022, because till 2022 we do what we do like simple people and doen`t have "official history". All guy from our group from Maidan till now knows about war personally. And it`s very hard to tell about somebody not from Ukraine.

Ukraine people who are left in Ukraine can help themselves best by surrendering. The millions of smart ones, and the ones who were against the US takeover of Ukraine, left long ago.

What can I say? If any Ukrainian totally believes that he is being the best he can be by dying in Ukraine, that is very noble of him. But he should ask himself, is he really dying FOR Ukraine? Millions of his fellow citizens who fled would say "No!"

Russian forces strike intelligence facilities in Kyiv as Zelensky warns of Ukrainian retreats without more U.S. aid

https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-04-02-russian-forces-strike-intelligence-facilities-in-kyiv.html
Russian attacks in Ukraine have intensified in recent days, with a notable focus on critical infrastructure targets such as energy facilities. These assaults mark a significant escalation not witnessed since the first half of 2023.

The precision strikes carried out by Moscow's artillery underline a deliberate effort to cripple essential services, further exacerbating the already dire situation in the region.

Of particular concern was the devastating attack on March 25, which saw the headquarters of Ukrainian intelligence in Kyiv – the Security Service of Ukraine – obliterated by Russian missiles. This assault not only caused substantial physical damage but also served as a symbolic declaration of a new phase in the conflict.

The destruction of such a pivotal facility underscores Moscow's strategic shift towards targeting key command and control centers, aiming to disrupt Ukrainian military operations and intelligence-gathering capabilities. (Related: Russian governor predicts Ukrainian military to falter by spring or summer of 2024.)

The rationale behind this escalation is largely framed as a response to what the Kremlin perceives as Ukrainian terrorism.

Russian officials point to repeated incursions into their territory, particularly in border regions like the Belgorod oblast, where Kyiv's aggressive tactics have resulted in civilian casualties and widespread destruction.

In the eyes of Moscow, these actions represent clear violations of red lines and justify the resumption of high-intensity bombings against critical infrastructure targets.

While Russia has historically shown restraint in targeting Ukrainian infrastructure to minimize civilian harm, recent provocations – Ukrainian incursions into internationally-recognized Russian territory – have left little room for leniency and compelled Moscow to retaliate forcefully to deter future aggression against Russia's borders.

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Zelensky warns of Ukrainian retreats without more military aid
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A rather strange position. Millions of those who stayed and risk dying every day - do not feel that he is not "smart". And the millions of those who left - most of them are women and children - and this is logical - they should be safe while the nation fights for its right to life. Men who fled the war (let's call a spade a spade) are no more than a million, which is only 2% of the population. And they are not smart, they are cowards. When life begins to beat them in a new place, all they will be able to do is run away again.
I have a friend, having 4 children and a business in Zaporizhzhia, having a fortune of several million dollars - he did not run away. went to the front and defended the state for a year. And at the same time, he and his team (30% of which were in the trenches at the time) did not stop production and made optics on which Fraser shot 70% of the second part of Dune. And now they work 30 km from the front line. So I would strongly bet that it was the smart ones who escaped))))