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It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril

So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

Why are you surprised that the largest investors in the world, who own stakes in nearly any business out there also have stakes in Ukraine? These are not "benefactors", they are investment funds that look for business where ever they can find an opportunity.

Ukraine eventually will have to repay the debt like any other country. Even Ruzzia was paying the bonds until it defaulted due to being excluded from the payment mechanisms.

Perhaps I misunderstood what kind of investment or business we are talking about then. Did those companies have stakes on Ukraine before or after the war started? Because to this day I had assume most if not all of the war funding coming to Ukraine was being collected by the United States, though the Internal Revenue Service.
If Blackrock and other conglomerates had stakes on Ukraine before the war, in industrial sectors which do not have anything to do with the war effort, then it is different situation than giving money to Ukraine after the war starter, for them to be able to buy ammo and weapons.

Also, I have seen other posts here in the forum on the alledged plan of Blackrock to be part on the rebuilding of Ukraine as soon as the war is over, though, I am not sure about implications of a foreign private entity like that assisting a sovereign country. It would make more sense in the European Union agreed on letting Ukraine to become a member and contribute economically in the recovering of the country.

Investment funds do not fund wars as such, they seek opportunities wherever these are. Thanks to Putin, it is very likely that Ukraine will be rebuilt by a combination of European and US companies. The investment funds allocate the investors money (which may even be of the Ruzzian elites!!) to whatever project or business looks good - and Ukraine will be full of opportunity for business and people if it can be made strong enough as to have Ruzzia not coming back.

Seriously, sometimes I think that Putin is a CIA agent, he has done more for the US weapons industry and for NATO expansion and for US investment than any US president!

The funds to Ukraine, as this may surprise you, come mostly for Europe (I am not sure if right now they are par with US) as state aid. They pay two main things: a) the general spending of the country and the state b) The military aid.

However, the military aid is not sent as money (this is what dumBAss does not get), it is spend in the US and European factories and the products are sent to Ukraine.