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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 06/05/2024, 18:07:21 UTC
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Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

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None of that is true. You do not seek peace, you seek surrender. You use all the news that are partial to one side, which means that you are seeking peace in very specific terms - Putin terms. do be such a hypocrite, it is embarrassing.

The peace you seek is just a stop to rearm Ruzzia and get the war going again in a few years.

Only just saw this edit. US set the precedent of what such peace terms should look like in Cuba, but luckily I don't expect anything close to that out of Russia, most likely things in Ukraine will just go back to the way they were in 2013 prior to all this madness.



A little bit off topic, but I just read the Kremlin has started to recruit people fromm una in order to keep the war going in the eastern front. Specifically, people from Cuba (where minimum wage is less than 30$) is being kured through internet to join the Russian army in exchange of a salary of 2000$ and the possibility to apply for Russian nationality.
I had heard Ukraine was alledgely running out of people to fight the war, but I did not expect something similar could be happening in Russia.

Obviously, It has been already proven an important percentage of Russians are not willing to get in the front, otherwise many young men would have not fled the country as they did at the beginning of the conflict.
Regardless of what it is actually going on, I doubt those cuban men are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into, though, I would not judge them if they monthly payment in their island is less than what anyone of us would easily spend for dinner.

Mercs are a closely guarded secret, but at the same time are no surprise to anyone. Look up Ukrainian Foreign Legion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Foreign_fighters_and_volunteers to get some idea of the scale from both sides.




It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.



Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril


So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

All wars need to be financed, and financiers aka banks are the ones doing the financing. Rothschild famously made a fortune by front running news about the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo. Now of course this is not a charity so all war bonds need to be backed by some juicy collateral to be worthwhile. In fact as they're only driven by returns many times they'd finance both sides for arbitrage.

The group wants Kyiv, which is fresh off clinching roughly $60 billion in U.S. aid, to strike a deal in which it would resume payments in exchange for forgiveness of a big chunk of the country’s outstanding debt. Some bondholders in the group have discussed the plans with senior officials in Kyiv.

Now ask yourself why would BlackRock hire lawyers and be willing to forgive a big chunk of debt just for at least some payments, but right now? Perhaps of the kindness from their pure hearts or ... Roll Eyes