Quote from: paxmao on May 10, 2024, 12:22:37 PM

Quote from: DaRude on May 10, 2024, 11:16:48 AM

Quote from: paxmao on May 10, 2024, 12:31:00 AM

Quote from: DaRude on May 09, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

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Again please stop with your moronic statements about nukes. Even if 1 nuke goes to Moscow that would mean that there is no more world. [...]

Are you getting nervous? Name calling? Really? You are the only stupid here that does not understands how nuclear deterrence works.

I will repeat it again, just because you seem to like it that much: one nuke is not just a bit more than zero. It is the difference between a nuclear power and not a nuclear power, between having a world with a controlled number of countries with a controlled number of combinations for a nuclear conflict and an scenario that doubles the number of nuclear armed countries and exponentially grows the combinations for a conflict[/size][/i][/u].

1000 nukes in and controlled by Germany, Poland, Letonia, Lituania, Ukraine, Finland, Norway... just name all the countries that feel threatened by Ruzzia - and you claim that does not matter because "it is not too many more nukes"? I think you just do not understand shit of the world we live in.

Having this scenario is Putin's doing because everyone around Ruzzia cannot ever feel safe, so happy birthday and I hope that if we are all ever blown up it catches you counting the money you are getting paid little troll.

Quote from: DaRude on May 09, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

Well, when it's between top pentagon official and a forum member without citations think you know who we all believe more.

Your eyes.

Quote from: DaRude on May 09, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

Also stop pretending that Russia is planning on attacking Germany, as if NATO didn't have article 5,

Stop pretending that Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries are not going thinking already about getting their own deterrence when Trump is saying he wants to break NATO.

In that regard is irrelevant who wins the elections, because in military terms you have to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst and Europe can no longer assume that the US umbrella will work. Europe is veeery slow, but is not stupid.

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Sure, and in response Russia should put nukes on Cuba because their people are suffering and fear US, right? oh wait haven't we been here before?
World got rid of 48k nuclear weapons from 61,662 in 1985 to 13,400 in 2020 only an idiot or a madman would want to bring the world closer to nuclear annihilation just because Ukraine is loosing on the battlefield. How much brainwashing one should get to start believing, "either NATO expands to Ukraine or we start a nuclear war" narrative Huh

Irrelevant and missing the point as usual. It is irrelevant how many nukes Ruzzia and up to a point where they have them.

Just to make sure that your little troll brain understands the basic math behind the Treaty of non-Proliferation. You have two nuclear powers you have 2^0 potential nuclear conflicts (country A with country B). You have 3 then you have AB AC BC, three possible nuclear conflicts. You have 4 you get AB, AC, Ad, BC, Bd, Cd, so that is 6...

What happens when you have, instead of 3 nuclear powers in Europe, 8 or 10 nuclear powers, including some who have been know to be very active in invading their neighbours? You can check here but the answer is that you have passed from three potential nuclear conflicts to... guess how many... 6? 10? 15?... no, it is actually 45 possible bilateral nuclear wars. And this not even counting the possibility of a security flaw or hybrid attack that detonates just one of this little nuke babies or multi-country conflicts or someone getting a few bucks by selling them to ISIS or whatever other.

This is what happens when you have Putin waging a war in Europe and Trump saying that "he does not want NATO" or "would not intervene" as per article 5.

This scenario is not something that "might happen", it is an scenario that, at this point, Europe is already considering. This is some sectors in Germany, but if Germany got it, Poland ain't going to say no and if everyone around's got it... then all the baltics.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/germans-debatethe-once-unthinkable-do-we-need-nuclear-weapons-13fa7e68

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Germans Debate the Once-Unthinkable: Do We Need Nuclear Weapons?

And now keep on speaking about whattabout and trying to mislead. Keep counting you little troll's level 3 pay in the farm and hope that all 10 countries have responsible politicians from now to the end of your miserable life.

Meanwhile 1500 km from Ukraine....

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The excerpt describes a Ukrainian drone that attacked the "Salavatnefteorgsintez" in Bashkortostan. The drone's wing span is approximately three meters wide. A video shows the drone flying over the company's territory a minute before being destroyed. The drone is reported to have traveled up to 1,500 km

And just a bit closer...
https://t.me/astrapress/55058

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On May 10, 2024, drones are reported to have attacked the "First Refinery" in Kaluga Region, according to local residents.

Where NATO places its nukes is completely irrelevant. Why you root for global exponential growth for nuclear conflicts also stinks of desperation. You're just changing your narrative to "either NATO expands to Ukraine or we start a nuclear war, but blame Putin for it". That's clinical insanity.