Quote from: DaRude on May 28, 2024, 08:07:37 PM

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But how does this changes the balance exactly? Pretty sure an attack on the early warning system is one of the justifications to launching a nuclear strike first. Thinking that you can take out Russian nuclear early warning system (with attempted justification to launch few ATACMS at ex Ukrainian controlled territory) is not just gambling with your own population but gambling with the whole world. If some 3rd state (that Russia sends weapons to) took out US's nuclear early warning system, I'm sure we'd all be glowing green now, Russia so far has been showing great constraint in all of this. Ukraine is attempting to force this war on to the rest of the world which should not be allowed to happen.

Quote from: coolcoinz on May 28, 2024, 07:31:20 PM

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I focus on what's close and the way I see it, the conflict is local. It's not the US vs China, but Ukraine vs Russia that we're talking about. What's happening here and now is Russians and Ukrainians killing each other with the help of weapons sent to them by other countries. China is playing it's own game trying to take over Taiwan and I'm of course against that.
It's interesting that you feel like we have to be "brainwashed" to think that Russia is bad. Have you ever considered that Russia might actually be bad, or are you blinded by propaganda coming straight from Kremlin?

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I have explained how it changes the balance. From Ruzzia sending hundreds of missiles and being pretty much undone, to getting a fair share of pain on expensive and difficult to replace assets. It is better that you gather a few links and news negative to Ukraine to cover this.

@coolcoinz - By now you probably figured out you are dealing here with people who are most likely paid or otherwise Kremlin trolls. There arguments are always the same, regardless of the situation (Ukraine is a possession of Ruzzia, the West is evil, if Ruzzia does something bad the West is doing something worse, "we need peace... but with an Ukrainian surrender", "the western weapons do not work", "the western weapons do not make a difference", ...)

Facts are questioned, while alternative (but proof-less) reality is put forward. denial is constant.

It is very predictable. When they call for "brotherhood" they are calling for your surrender and their dominance (they will be the "Big Brother" in all senses. Ukrainians will not have peace, they will be sent to the next conflict fighting for Moscow.

Briefly, it works like this:

@Branko - Russia can do no wrong. If they obviously do, NATO is worse, and everything is "the same". If he saw a picture of Moscow burning he would post one of a fire in a dumpster in Los Angeles to prove the above point.
@daRude - May be two people or more. (a) Everything is always bad for Ukraine (collecting all the news that support that, while ignoring any oher). If Ukraine has an obviously positive news, then question, doubt, alternative reality,...(b) He wans peace - meaning an Ukrainian surrender, nothing else.
@BA - He is absolutely confused about nearly anything in life or... he works for China.
@be.open - I am not sure if a paid troll, but the user or users are the victims of watching the Ruzzian TV for many years.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 28, 2024, 07:24:42 PM

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Welcome to our team, paxmao. Let's stop this silly war rather than feed it with more US money and weapons.
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I hope you are a good musician, your destiny is not in comedy (nor in many other things).