Quote from: gloffs on June 04, 2024, 06:04:22 AM

Quote from: Ozero on June 03, 2024, 09:19:02 PM

I watched the video you linked to. I can say that the place of this action is not the Independence Square in Kyiv and this most likely did not happen in Kyiv. Judging by the sign on the building with a blue background, this is some kind of administrative building in Ukraine, but I could not determine when it was, in what year and about what the rally took place. If this was after Russia attacked Ukraine, then this behavior of Ukrainians is quite logical. Do you want Russians to be loved because they attack Ukraine, killing people and destroying everything in their path?

I can assure you that this video was made long before 2022. I watched and heard this video about 9 or 8 years ago. May be this jumping circus was not held in Kiev, I don't know that but again I know that such types of crazy jumps took place all over Ukraine many times since 2014.

At the same time I must tell you that this night I was talking to a Ukrainian who fled to Europe and asked him questions about the conflict and he told me that in reality Russian speaking people in Ukraine were not oppressed to such a degree as I heard here in Russia and read in some articles.

Also he told me that indeed 2 break away provinces of Ukraine were not fired upon by the Ukrainian army and this information was a surpise to me. It appears that the shelling might be provoked by pro Moscow fighters and then the Ukrainian army was blamed for that. I don't know that.

Is seems to me that there are certain forces in play in Russia and Ukraine that want to instigate a conflict between Russia and Ukraine and I believe that these forces are controlled by the CIA..

I believed that you deliberately distorted the reality about the events taking place in Ukraine, including the oppression of the Russian-speaking population and the shelling of the territory of the so-called DPR and DPR. But it seems that you were only honestly mistaken about this.

As for the incidents you mentioned with Ukrainians shouting about Muscovites, you yourself write that this happened starting in 2014. That is, after the invasion of Russian troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, which occurred in February 2014. And accordingly, the Ukrainians had the right to call for the killing of the occupiers.

I also agree with you that there are certain forces that want the mutual weakening of Ukraine and Russia. Therefore, Ukraine is given few weapons and always very late so that Ukraine does not lose the war, but also does not win it. Some people have long been laying claim to Ukrainian black soil, but this is not the United States.