Quote from: gloffs on June 11, 2024, 01:46:06 PM

Quote from: Argoo on June 11, 2024, 12:21:58 PM

Quote from: gloffs on June 09, 2024, 06:20:09 PM

No you are wrong here because I know that during the last 30 years Ukrainian TV and Ukrainian schools taught Ukrainians that Russia was an enemy. They were slowly and consistently preparing Ukrainians for a war between Russia and Ukraine whereas here in Russia we always considered Ukrainans to be our brothers and sisters.

Ukraine is preparing for a war against Russia in a very strange way.
On December 5, 1994, Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain and the United States signed the Budapest Memorandum, according to which these states pledged to respect the independence, sovereignty and borders of Ukraine, and in return Ukraine transferred to Russia the third largest nuclear potential in the world, and later the Tu-95MS and strategic bombers Tu-160 with missiles that Russia is currently firing at Ukraine and many other military equipment. In addition, before Russia’s attack on Ukraine, Ukraine sold a lot of its tanks, aircraft, armored personnel carriers, and so on. The size of the Ukrainian army was also greatly reduced. And this is preparation for a war with Russia?

You are going back in time too far. By that time the USSR had disintegrated only 3 years ago and the US wanted to ensure that USSR would never again be revived or present a nuclear threat to them.
All these maneuvers mentioned by you were made at the request of the West and Russia and Ukraine complied with that request. This memoradum is not much to talk about.

At the same time, these disarmament steps clearly indicate that Ukraine was not preparing to fight with anyone, much less with Russia, against which it had no chance of winning alone. Having attacked Ukraine in order to take away its territory and resources, the Kremlin needed justification for its insane decisions, so an unsubstantiated accusation was launched that Ukraine itself was going to attack Russia and thus, probably, decided to cease to exist as a state, because the chances she had no chance of winning this war. Stupid statements, of course. However, what to do if there are no smart excuses in this situation at all.