Quote from: fillippone on June 16, 2024, 08:58:57 AM

The bank doesn't have access to your safe deposit box.
They can access it only with an order from the judiciary power (an executive order by a judge).
They have materially no access to it (they need a blacksmith to open it, as they don't have your key).
This is the point of a safe deposit box.
Hopefully, you can prepare in advance for such an order.

March 2021. Third parties simply opened (hacked) 1,400 safe deposit boxes and took out everything they could get their hands on (The FBI took $86 million from safe deposit boxes. An appeals court will decide if that's constitutional). No matter how they convince me of the safety of storage in safe deposit boxes, I will say - NO. This applies to any service providers for the safe storage of money or other valuables - you give to third parties. Which means the actual transfer of ownership rights (unofficial), that is, you are deprived of your property for the period of provision of safe storage services to you.

If you search on the Internet (ru-local), you will find more than one case where deposits in safe deposit boxes were stolen. Without unauthorized hacking, therefore, bank employees had access.

What you described in the list must be observed, but in different countries the attitude towards laws is slightly different from those adopted in the world. Simply, a bank (or their employees) can easily rob their client. You can think otherwise, but numerous cases from life cannot be refuted. Facts are stubborn things.

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on June 16, 2024, 09:28:03 AM

i don't think they do have access to your safe deposit box. at least the one i saw it has 2 key holes and a key has to go into each one. one from the bank and one from you. and so they can't open it without you. it's not like mail boxes etc where they can reach in your box from the backside Shocked

I don't undertake to judge how technically the theft of safe deposit boxes occurs, but by googling you will find out many interesting cases when clients of safe deposit boxes lost their savings.

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on June 16, 2024, 09:28:03 AM

that's what you say but what do you end up doing in an emergency? you grab your washers and take them with you right? like a house fire.

Washers is not for taking with you. Washers will withstand fire. Washers is when you put it down once and don’t touch it until absolutely necessary. Washers is a backup that you only access as a last resort. Therefore, it must be stored in such a way as to withstand most force majeure circumstances (fires, natural disasters, break-ins and thefts, etc.). Washers is your last chance to access your savings, and not a trinket in your pocket for traveling to different countries and daily access.

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on June 16, 2024, 09:28:03 AM

because you didn't want to destroy something you worked so hard to make. unlike a simple piece of paper that you can just tear up...

You are confusing the application / purpose of seed washers. This is for long-term storage (10-20-50 years), and paper is for short-term storage (1, 2, 5 years). If you are aware of the difference, then everything will fall into place in your understanding.

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on June 16, 2024, 09:28:03 AM

for many years where?

It's up to you to decide.

This should be a safe and secure place with sole access to you (or those with whom you are willing to share the content).

Quote from: HideYourKeys on June 18, 2024, 09:04:56 AM

Yes, I would be a bit concerned if nobody noticed the shop Grin

. I added a "bitcointalk" coupon for a 5% discount + another 5% discount when paying in bitcoin (in case somebody ever reads this thread Cheesy

).

That is, users (and readers) of the bitcointalk can receive a final discount of 10%?

If I were you, I would make a higher discount when paying for bitcoin, but only during a bearish trend.

Quote from: HideYourKeys on June 18, 2024, 09:04:56 AM

You could even disassemble a 12 washer set, mix some of them with coins and get them through the airport x-ray machine disguised as coins, but I would rather use a hardware wallet for air transportation.

Will the next proposal come to put the seed phrase on coins (instead of washers) and carry it with you?

Well, it’s a strong and refractory metal, thieves won’t take small change, customs officers don’t pay attention to coins - it’s just an ideal solution.

/sarcasm off

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on Today at 03:45:07 AM

because it has to be destroyed at some point in the future.

For what?

The contents have been transferred to another wallet and there is no need to destroy the carrier of the seed-phrase.

And even if you have to do this, then it’s enough to use your ~~resourcefulness~~ power tools, and not drown the washers in hot metal, like the T-800.

If washer wallet is stored securely enough, it will never need to be destroyed.