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Atletico madrid is still on their capacity to "exist", not on "win" the champion league. Diego simeone, as atletico madrid's coach never had a great expectation for his club in UCL; therefore, even though they were not favorite to do this, atletico madrid still has little opportunity to win UCL.

Although the officials of Atletico madrid were always improving their teams, their efforts were pointless since the gamplay and strategy of the simeone remain the same. When atletico madrid advanced to any level in the champion league, such quarter or semi finals, ATM officials feel good enough.

With the present team, Atletico Madrid lacks capacity to win the UCL. Atletico madrid made it to final at 15/16, really lucky. So in essence, all things considered, it makes little difference how much atletico madrid improves; uninspiring strategy and gameplay by Simeone will prevent them from winning UCL.

What you say is true, I also pay attention to Atletico Madrid every time they enter the UCL and being able to reach the quarter finals is nothing surprising anymore. Their performance remains like that, the same and no different from the previous season. It's as if Simeone hasn't developed this club well, the strategy is monotonous, while in terms of player capacity more or less changing with new ones, the level of effectiveness is still not increasing sharply. Atletico Madrid seems to be stagnant or really needs a new coach who has different ambitions and ideas from Simeone. Honestly if Atletico Madrid wants to appear to be developing, maybe it's time to think about a new, more modern manager with a variety of strategies.

Domestic clubs especially rivals Madrid, continue to develop, Barcelona is also trying to cover all its shortcomings, even with limited players and limited funds, but there are always different things every season and with the arrival of Girona they also starting to be considered worthy competitors next season. Therefore if Atletico Madrid does not upgrade its players and coaches next season this club could be left behind by its rivals.

yes but you are only talking about Spanish teams, remember that Europe is big and that the big teams are not always the best or win the most, there are many teams that are growing in Europe, think that Leverkusen or Atalanta are not they can reach the champion's quarterfinals, well the answer for me is definitely yes considering that even teams like Bologna can do really badly I would be very careful about Italy this year too, we'll see some good ones that's for sure

It's definitely true, atalanta and leverkusen can reach quarter final; However, the competition is getting tougher with the implementation of the new format of UCL. In fact, competing in UCL is far tougher compared to the europa league, and these clubs(atalanta/leverkusen) will have tougher opponents. Ultimately, to reach the quarter final, they shall have worked even harder.

UCL is a different competition from Europa and one must not just conclude that because Atalanta and Leverkusen made history last season means that they will go as far as reaching the quarter finals. It depends on the group that they will be in if the clubs are weak in their groups.if it happens that they are in a strong group, they might survive or not. Also if they did not meet one of the strongest teams in the round of 16, they will reach the quarter finals.

Real Madrid still have the high chance of becoming the winner of UCL next season because they have made proper preparations on defending the title next season by equipping the club with Mbappe and Endrick. Any club that can win the champions league from them next season will need to do extraordinary things.