Quote from: Abbatty on Today at 07:59:16 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 28, 2024, 05:40:58 PM

Of course, when folks are learning a topic, initially they can learn from anyone with more experience than them (and frequently they can also learn from folks who learn less then them), and as long as they are engaging in critical thinking and trying to continue to learn, they will likely find that they need to get exposure to more and more advanced folks in that field (whether we are talking about bitcoin or any other topic).

Surely I have a lot of my own limitations in the knowledge that I have and whether I am still learning, yet probably I have some advantages due to the amount of time that I spent engaging with the bitcoin topic.. which has been quite a bit in the past 10 years - though surely not full-time and there have been times in which I have spent more time and times that I have taken breaks.

I've been following this thread for a few weeks now, and even though I'm nervous to always make contributions, I've been able to learn a few things here simply by following the thread and reading through discussions. I've learned from not only you, but also members who are both higher and lower in rank than me. I realise that most people making contributions are more experienced, and i feel my contributions will be of low value to them.

I am not convinced with my limited knowledge yet, which is why I am spending more time in this topic and other beneficial threads soaking up every little knowledge I can find. I still need more exposure to bitcoin conversations to learn more about bitcoin so i can make valuable contributions in this thread to educate other people too.

I have read some articles and books about bitcoin but sometimes engaging in discussions with more experienced people will widen your knowledge even further.

Sure, it could be true that in the very beginning of your bitcoin journey, you might hardly have anything to contribute beyond potentially asking questions, and sometimes longer term members will get annoyed when new member ask some seemingly basic questions that they should be able to fairly easily figure out, yet if you are doing some of your own homework and you are setting up your own systems (such as financial, cash management, and psychological systems), and you are also doing some of your own research, there are surely going to be times in which your learnings become more informed - yet you might have various questions about what you are doing and something might be difficult to figure out on your own, especially if you might recognize several competing options but you might be unclear in your own head about advantages and/or disadvantages in regards to various kinds of potential set ups and/or practices, and so I would thing that you would be able to ask questions or even make comments and suggestions that relate to your learnings or areas of your feeling that you don't really understand, even if some of the questions are seemingly basic and even if some of us in this thread might have covered some of the themes of your questions at various historical points in this thread.

I doubt that we should be expecting that you read and/or understand anything close to the contents of the 472 previous pages of this thread prior to being able to interact.. but if you at least read the OP and maybe the first few pages of the thread, and maybe go through some various posts in the thread and maybe read some of the recent posts of the thread, then that should be enough in order to demonstrate some leel of due diligence.... that would show that at least you are trying to interact with some of the already happened discussions..

Part of the reason for threads like this is to interact with members at what ever point each of us are at, and sometimes some of the threads seem to have had gotten beyond the mere basics, but even our getting beyond the basics does not mean that we should not be welcome to somewhat basic questions from beginners (or bitcoin newbies), because we likely should realize that something around 99% of the world's population are either no coiners or low coiners, and frequently it will take several repetitions of certain new ideas for any newbie bitcoiner before the ideas both start to sink in that you are able to understand the ideas with better clarity, but that you are also able to communicate with other members about the ideas that you have, whether members here agree with you or not. There are also some folks who come to the thread with other kinds of life-experiences, so none of us can really know your life experiences unless you share some of the ideas that you have that might be based on your experiences and your presumptions.. which might be something that we previously discussed, or maybe we have not yet discussed, so nothing wrong with bringing in some life experiences from time to time, whether you are a bitcoin or investment newbie or someone who has some kinds of experiences that might be worthy of sharing in a thread like this.

Quote from: Bravut on Today at 11:18:42 AM

Quote from: Abbatty on Today at 07:59:16 AM

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True.
Well said, Mate. You participating is what will widen your horizon, experience is only best gotten through experience just as only continual application of the knowledge will help you grow, thus building you more when you contribute and share ideas among like minds.

No need for you to undervalue your own idea,talk less of your idea when you can learn and also unlearn, take corrections from knowledgeable members of the forum and also participant of this Discussion.

Actually that is another good way of framing the matter, which is that many of us can learn better when we participate and interact in the forum and in threads like this, which was part of my own reason for joining and participating in the forum over 10 years ago... and continues to be my motivation to date.

There are ways to try to participate, but also to try to read quite a bit too so that you are not totally off-base in the kinds of things that you are asking, and surely if other members interact with you, it tends to be better to try to take into account what they are saying, and sometimes other members will end up giving really bad advice.. or some kinds of suggestions that you believe are not good for your situation. Surely, in the end you have to decide for yourself, and surely sometimes there can be quite a bit of problem by following other forum members without making sure that what they say is actually applicable to your own situation and also that you sufficiently understand the trade-offs since you are going to be the one responsible for your own actions, and no one is going to feel sorry for you if you say that you were just doing what one or another member had suggested that you do, whether it be from me or any other member.

Even though I personally try to make suggestions that fit with other members, there are surely going to be times that what I say is not really very fitting for your own circumstances, so you gotta be careful in regards to figuring out various systems that might work for you whether it is actual bitcoin buys or maybe various ways that you organize your own personal monthly cashflows and account for your income versus your expenses in terms of figuring out how much bitcoin you are able to buy each month - or how much fiat that you are able to dedicate towards buying bitcoin each month/week or whatever is your buying time intervals.

Quote from: wmaurik on Today at 05:34:49 PM

everyone is also allowed to put forward their own ideas as long as the ideas are good enough and do not oppose other people's ideas,

I don't see anything wrong with opposing the ideas of other members, and those who oppose ideas of other members while giving reasons (and perhaps even evidence) for why they oppose the ideas will provide fruit for deeper discussions. Sure there are some members who seem to just oppose for the sake of opposing, so that can be a bit annoying if some members are not really explaining why they are for or against some ideas...and yeah, sometimes it can be a bit unclear regarding how much evidence and/or explanation is needed when opposing the ideas of another member, so each of us has to make those kinds of choices regarding how much we believe we need to back up our own ideas -especially if we consider them to be going against what other members might be saying...

and sometimes we get the facts and/or the logic wrong too.. so sometimes we might believe that we are saying different things from other members, but we just end up saying similar things in different ways... so the ways of communicating can continue to be confusing for some of us from time to time, too.