Quote from: tzortz on April 27, 2014, 08:50:05 PM

Quote from: s1lverbox on April 27, 2014, 08:16:30 PM

Quote from: navigator on April 27, 2014, 07:34:44 PM

I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

No its not and you wrong. As if miner is build and announced for sale it should be new, not used and against their own tos.
When i ordered my first s1 i was happy like kid. but when u getting used item which is overclocked where this will void warranty if anything will happen, its not that great anymore.
We are in s2 thread, so acctually people paid shit loads of btc for preorder of units like other bfl or knc.
Once units was delivered problems started to piled up.
Sorry but you wrong.
S1 didnt appear from nowhere. They had them long time before they start selling them.
s2 as well and probably now they have kit which is more efficient than s1 and s2

Im not saying anything about delivery etc. bitmain is well above any other asics company. But i dont see why they should mine with my miner or miner wich is mining for weeks and then when i will made order they sending me that miner...Just saying.

Exactly this.

I could not agree more.

I agree, and would add that they certainly shouldn't be lying about the product being new (which they did, repeatedly) even when faced with questions as to why fans were worn out (from overuse) and heatsinks caked with dust.