Quote from: FatFork on Today at 12:16:36 PM

Quote from: BunnyWunny on July 05, 2024, 06:35:42 PM

people who died for the right to vote were incredibly stupid. humans in our earliest forms have been around for 6 millions years. we only started voting 2500 years ago in ancient greece. it is a dumb cruel experiment and that is becoming more and more obvious everyday. I don't promote a government. The idea of a government for man is undignified to say the least. Why should man be governed? Can man not govern himself? Had we not being doing that for millions of years until these empires imposed these shams on us?

Interesting perspective, but perhaps a little short-sighted. The rights and ability to share views freely came from those who fought for equality. Calling efforts undignified dismisses real suffering under oppression. Try living under actual tyranny and then tell me how much you miss a system with flaws you can address. All systems have flaws, but they can also further justice and governments maintain order and stability. They can protect basic rights, build infrastructure, and ensure a semblance of order. To claim humans governed themselves perfectly for millions of years ignores countless conflicts and power struggles. Sure, you can romanticize the past as much as you want, but the reality is life expectancy a few thousand years ago was significantly lower. Even basic healthcare advancements modern society takes for granted would be life-saving back then. You think you'd be happier living then? Well, if you're past your thirties, chances are you wouldn't even be here to argue the point.

I live under actual tyranny. In my country we are one bad news cycle away from being sent to die in a NATO war. If that is not tyranny then I do not know what is.

Just read a book on the native americans my friend, and see how happy they were.