What a silly claim, and how much are you going to put where your mouth is? When is anything current Ukrainian president/government promised going to happen? Any timelines on the bridge, Crimea, or 1991 borders? Any bets on how long that UA law about no negotiations with Putin will stand? Bottom line is Russia continues to take more land everyday, and the only comeback to that is, why so slow?
Why so slow, or....
Russia was so confident that they'd be able to steam roll Ukraine, take Kyiev, kill Zelensky, etc. that before they invaded in Feb, they had already planned a parade for that May and even packed special uniforms to wear in the parade.
They even made it illegal to call it a war. It was just a special operation. No big deal. The global general consensus was maybe it would take 3 weeks for Kiev to fall, probably two though.
Imagine if you could go back in time and tell Russians that in 2024, Putin would travel to North Korea to beg for weapons and rumors of a second mobilization were starting to spread
The Orc army could have chosen
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How confident are you that when US staged coup detat/regime change in Ukraine that they just didn't know that it would breach on Russia's national interests, and they just miscalculated? Or do you think they knew pretty well what they were doing by giving out cookies and saying Fuck the EU, and this is all is just a collateral damage in a bigger plan?
You mean exactly the same reasons why US and NATO didn't call any of their military "operations" wars, in the past 60 years?
If Cuba was an existential threat to US, Ukraine is definitely an existential threat to Russia. Russia loosing Ukraine would follow with a loss of Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Belarus... Without it's sphere of influence, it would seize to be a regional power and would collapse once again.
Imagine if you could travel back in time to Ukraine in 2013 when everything was fine and educate these people about the Judas kiss and tell them not to accept these cookies. How many Ukrainians would you save by not sending them to be pawns in a larger global conflict?
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Re Zelensky's "political suicide", the person is not that relevant. A true peace that leaves Ukraine with means of defence and most of the territory intact, with access to sea, is not ideal, but there is still a country named "Ukraine" with all the means required to be a viable nation.
Again, peace itself is desirable, but the question is what peace. A good peace gets statues of Zelensky in the city square and peace for decades, a bad peace gets you another war in 5 years.
Re Zelensky's "political suicide", the person is not that relevant. A true peace that leaves Ukraine with means of defence and most of the territory intact, with access to sea, is not ideal, but there is still a country named "Ukraine" with all the means required to be a viable nation.
Again, peace itself is desirable, but the question is what peace. A good peace gets statues of Zelensky in the city square and peace for decades, a bad peace gets you another war in 5 years.
Can't say i'm surprised that you won't put your money where you mouth is. But really nice to see you start accepting the reality and pivoting from "1991 borders". Now comes the hard part, do you really think that such end result for Ukraine, couldn't be reached without loosing so many Ukrainian lives? What do you think was in that written response in 2021 before all this started? Would you want Russia to declassify and publicize it? Because i doubt the US would do it in the next 50 or so years.
January 2022
The United States has delivered a written response to Russia addressing Moscow’s security demands, Secretary of State Antony
Blinken announced on Wednesday, as Washington continues to pursue diplomacy aimed at diverting a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Sullivan delivered to Moscow, was “fully coordinated” with Ukraine and European allies, Blinken said, and it “sets out a serious diplomatic path forward, should Russia choose it.”
The United States has delivered a written response to Russia addressing Moscow’s security demands, Secretary of State Antony
Blinken announced on Wednesday, as Washington continues to pursue diplomacy aimed at diverting a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Sullivan delivered to Moscow, was “fully coordinated” with Ukraine and European allies, Blinken said, and it “sets out a serious diplomatic path forward, should Russia choose it.”
Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.
There is nothing to discuss about the borders - whatever was internationally recognised before Ruzzia invaded is what should be and whatever comes from a negotiation - if there is one ever - is what we will have to live with. I leave you to your theories on why somehow invading a sovereign country is OK if it suits your interests.
Your are overusing the picture about cookies. Would you like to try convincing us that Ruzzia is a corruption free country with no "cookies"? You have a hard task ahead.
Are you really sure you want to go that way?
Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta. In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory".
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
Let's see how things are going with that as of 15.07.2024
Quote from: Google Translate of https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus252370644/Nord-Stream-Anschlag-soll-schon-vor-zehn-Jahren-geplant-worden-sein.html
Nord Stream attack is said to have been planned ten years ago
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WELT AM SONNTAG now has new information. The focus: a Ukrainian group.
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The attack on the two Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea is said to have been planned by a Ukrainian group before Russia occupied Crimea in 2014. WELT AM SONNTAG learned this from German investigators. Accordingly, such considerations did not only arise with Russia's war of aggression. This is indicated by the results of investigations by German and foreign authorities, which also included intelligence information.
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Denmark and Sweden have closed the investigations. Only in Germany are the Federal Police and the Federal Criminal Police Office investigating the background to the act of sabotage on behalf of the Federal Prosecutor General. "The investigations are still ongoing," the Federal Prosecutor's Office said.
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The energy project had been publicly rejected by Ukraine time and again. Former Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, for example, had voiced criticism. "This project is anti-Ukrainian and anti-European," he warned in September 2015.
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The focus of the German investigation is a sailing yacht called "Andromeda" that was chartered in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania at the time of the attack. The six-person crew is said to have been in Ukraine before and after the attack. New evidence has since emerged that strengthens the suspicion that the attack on the pipelines was carried out by the ship's crew, said an official familiar with the investigation.
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A week before the explosions, the "Andromeda" was checked by border guards in Kolberg, Poland. According to security circles in Warsaw, the visit on board was not a random act; a secret service tip had apparently been received in Poland shortly beforehand. Agents from the USA were also said to have been on site.
In addition, video recordings of the ship and the crew are said to be available. In Warsaw, it was reportedly initially considered making the images available to German investigators. But no handover took place. One reason is said to be that the recordings may not only show the "Andromeda" crew, but also Polish and American agents.
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Meanwhile, there is growing concern among the opposition that the investigations are coming to nothing. CDU foreign policy expert Roderich Kiesewetter fears that no result will be achieved or that it will not be published for reasons of state security. "I do not see any real interest in finding out the truth in the Chancellery, which is the only one with a complete overview of the investigation results of the services and the Federal Prosecutor General," said Kiesewetter.
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WELT AM SONNTAG now has new information. The focus: a Ukrainian group.
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The attack on the two Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea is said to have been planned by a Ukrainian group before Russia occupied Crimea in 2014. WELT AM SONNTAG learned this from German investigators. Accordingly, such considerations did not only arise with Russia's war of aggression. This is indicated by the results of investigations by German and foreign authorities, which also included intelligence information.
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Denmark and Sweden have closed the investigations. Only in Germany are the Federal Police and the Federal Criminal Police Office investigating the background to the act of sabotage on behalf of the Federal Prosecutor General. "The investigations are still ongoing," the Federal Prosecutor's Office said.
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The energy project had been publicly rejected by Ukraine time and again. Former Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, for example, had voiced criticism. "This project is anti-Ukrainian and anti-European," he warned in September 2015.
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The focus of the German investigation is a sailing yacht called "Andromeda" that was chartered in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania at the time of the attack. The six-person crew is said to have been in Ukraine before and after the attack. New evidence has since emerged that strengthens the suspicion that the attack on the pipelines was carried out by the ship's crew, said an official familiar with the investigation.
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A week before the explosions, the "Andromeda" was checked by border guards in Kolberg, Poland. According to security circles in Warsaw, the visit on board was not a random act; a secret service tip had apparently been received in Poland shortly beforehand. Agents from the USA were also said to have been on site.
In addition, video recordings of the ship and the crew are said to be available. In Warsaw, it was reportedly initially considered making the images available to German investigators. But no handover took place. One reason is said to be that the recordings may not only show the "Andromeda" crew, but also Polish and American agents.
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484 / 5,000
Meanwhile, there is growing concern among the opposition that the investigations are coming to nothing. CDU foreign policy expert Roderich Kiesewetter fears that no result will be achieved or that it will not be published for reasons of state security. "I do not see any real interest in finding out the truth in the Chancellery, which is the only one with a complete overview of the investigation results of the services and the Federal Prosecutor General," said Kiesewetter.
So how much are you willing to bet on this claim of yours that "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams"? But Xal0lex has been censoring me on this, so fully expect he'll delete this post just as he did with my previous posts on this topic.