Quote from: Ricardo11 on Today at 11:22:42 AM

Honestly when I was new to this forum, I followed @o_e_l_e_o and JJG the most. I learned the most about everything from them. But you all know that a few days ago I lost one of our guardian.

Are you referring to losing o_e_l_e_o or someone else? I have not heard any updates about o_e_l_e_o, and my last knowledge was that several months ago (in January) he stopped participating/posting in the forum (based on his own illness and expectation of his own death coming soon - which is difficult for many members to hear about that. Has there been some more recent update?

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on Today at 12:05:03 PM

To the best of my knowledge JJG has never merited undeserving posts in this thread and other threads he has been active on. People are posting in this thread because there lots of knowledge that's been shared in this particular thread. JJG has been running this thread for long now and anyone posting trash here are quickly called to order. JJG has been someone we look up to for knowledge and he has never disappointed us. If we make useful contributions and he gives out Merits are you trying to doubt his judgement or what exactly are pointing at. Sometimes we should appreciate the good works that others are doing instead of enving them.

Yes.. you are just the smartest guy that I ever did witness in my life, whether here on the forum or in meat space.

Of course, you are implying that Justbillywitt does not have a reasonable ability to post objectively and/or without bias based on his having had received a large quantity of his merits (potentially approaching half-ish) from this here cat... and that likely could be a criticism of the whole forum's merit system rather than of any merit sharing (or whatever?) relationship that you suggest exists between Justbillywitt and me. I am not going to go back and compare the nature of my interactions with Justbillywitt or any other forum member because I hardly give any shits, but hey, if you (nutildah, the smarter than everyone merit Czar wannabe), you can go back and attempt to make some kind of supposedly "informed" analysis of what you consider to be going on with some of the supposed brown-noser supposed "merit beggars" or whatever might be your lame-ass theory regarding what's "really going on here." hahahahaha.,. it is so dumb to even ponder over your supposed potentially valid good intentions regarding the forum's merit system.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

I think he just loves a good ball washing. He's almost assuredly ranked up more useless spammers and shitposting alt accounts than any other single individual on this forum.

I hope that you reported me, so that some thing can be done about this smarter than everyone else retroactive analyzed self-defined and imagined "problem." Tongue

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

It directly leads to a decline in the overall quality of the forum as visitors must wade through pages upon pages of ball-washing, merit-hunting, quota-fulfilling spam to find single nuggets of actually valuable information (which they're not going to do, BTW).

In theory, it sounds like you might have a valid point here, since there are likely a decent number of forum members who fail/refuse to engage in critical thinking, and surely some forum members are not even real people, so yeah, there can be some problems in trying to screen out of some of those members might be contributing to the denigration of forum content worse than when you were pumping your supposed art, or was it shitcoins that you were pumping?

So yeah, sometimes there could be some better balancing of how some disingenuine or non-human forum members are detected and considering various ways how the current merit system might end up playing into that .. and if there might need to be some changes in the merit source members or the merit system or even the oversight of it, and surely these kinds of balances are likely considered by theymos from time to time in terms of the extent to which some changes might need to be made and/or whether the amount of work involved in making the changes might contribute to improvements to the forum or perhaps speculation about whether some of the potential changes (if they were to be implemented) might contribute towards some potential greater problems rather than the problems that currently exist.. and at the same time, I doubt that he would consider appointing someone like you as a merit Czar who has sufficiently and/or adequately considered these kinds of various balances (and the dynamic and ever changing tradeoffs for various policy trade offs or attempts to cause merit sending to be more objectively valid, which surely does not seem to be one of theymos's goals in regards to attempting to achieve "the free-est levels of speech" that might be achievable within the bounds of various trade-offs that are ongoingly considered.).

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

How hard is it to understand DCA? Every essence and nuance of it could be covered in 1 page with 20 (good) posts.

There's no way he doesn't recognize what he's doing by now; he just doesn't care because y'all inflate his ego, which for whatever reason he desperately needs.

The only one with an inflated ego here seems to be uie pooie.

Yes.. we all have egos, but still your theory is not very logical and it is not even supported by the facts, if you were actually ready, willing and/or able to attempt to objectively review the contents of this thread.. but instead, you want to spin what is going on, so that even if there were semblance of possible truth to the claims that you are making, your claims are still largely exaggerated.

By the way, I should mention that about two hours ago, from the time of this post, I edited my earlier responsive posts in order to make it a bit better in terms of attempts to criticize and respond to your intermedellous (made up word related to intermeddling) sticking your nose into your seemingly shit-stirring objectives in this thread.

And by the way, if you actually were to read some representative matters in this thread, we are not just talking about DCA, even though surely a lot of superficial readings might summarize the thread in those kinds of way, and surely I have no desires to even summarize the various contents of this thread or the extent to which it deviates from the topic from time to time, since the whole thread speaks for itself in terms of the level of the quality (or lack of quality) of the various posts that have been placed here in the last 5-ish years... oh yeah, and another claim that even I made is that it seems that the post quantity had gone up exponetially in this thread in the past couple of years, and surely our smarter than everyone else savior, nutildah, likely has a theory in regards to that phenomena, too. He knows a lot, our now newly present and influential shit-stirring "lil buddy" nutzilia.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

If I was to analyze the sig campaign spending habits of the biggest ball-washers, I'd be willing to bet that less than 10% of them are actually saving any BTC whatever. You just say what he wants to hear and expect merits to follow, and they often do. Its a positive feedback cycle that has noticeably brought down the average IQ of the forum over the years.

You might need to flesh this theory out a wee bit moar better, yet I doubt this thread is the place for you to be fucking around with largely irrelevant topics.. and you fucking don't even seem to know shit about this thread or have any actual substantive contributions to make here, except to divert us from talking about bitcoin and bitcoin related matters. Perhaps create another whining thread in meta, so that we don't report you for trolling this thread and leading us too much off the topic of this thread... We are here to talk about bitcoin rather than your likely nonsense theories that most likely belong in meta or some meta-related thread..

Quote from: 100steeze on Today at 12:44:18 PM

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on Today at 12:05:03 PM

To the best of my knowledge JJG has never merited undeserving posts in this thread and other threads he has been active on. People are posting in this thread because there lots of knowledge that's been shared in this particular thread. JJG has been running this thread for long now and anyone posting trash here are quickly called to order. JJG has been someone we look up to for knowledge and he has never disappointed us. If we make useful contributions and he gives out Merits are you trying to doubt his judgement or what exactly are pointing at. Sometimes we should appreciate the good works that others are doing instead of enving them.

I think he just loves a good ball washing. He's almost assuredly ranked up more useless spammers and shitposting alt accounts than any other single individual on this forum. It directly leads to a decline in the overall quality of the forum as visitors must wade through pages upon pages of ball-washing, merit-hunting, quota-fulfilling spam to find single nuggets of actually valuable information (which they're not going to do, BTW).

Well if there are alts then why not you fish them out you dick head. Well like what JJG said "you are full of shit" and also I will add that you are full piss too.

Yeah.. I am not sure what kind of requirement there might be to figure out the genuineness of newbie accounts (including yours), yet even your post highlights that nutildah's pursuit of this matter in this here thread, even if it were potentially valid is not even appropriate for this thread, so even though you added some nice color to point out some possible other ways to go about these kinds of concerns about the sending of smerits, which the contents of your actually one-liner and 2.5 sentences likely does not even deserve any merits, yet at the same time you may well have had identified a way to put together a post that might well ended up in the receipt of a merit or more, just for some other members to show nutildah that the sending of smerits does not necessarily fall into any "nutildah defined" standard in which forum members have to suss out some kind of objective standards in regards to our figuring out the deservingness (or not) of the recipient member (even if they are a brand new member who might be a copy of another member who is an alt or something like that, if that might be the possible rational for members to figure out that they should not send smerits to newbie members)..

So yeah, it is quite likely that you do not deserve any merits at all, yet you did end making some valid points that ended up contributing to the discussion in a arguably meaningful way that I believe supports some aspects of my point that nutildah should take this matter to some other thread (probably in meta) so that thread participants can get back on topic, since many of us likely realize the importance of staying focused on bitcoin and bitcoin accumulation during these kinds of urgent times. .in which the sooner the better seems to be the case that forum members and even normies around the world get the fuck started in their bitcoin accumulation journey rather than allowing that little twat (aka nutildah) to distract us from what many of us (if not an overwhelming majority) would prefer to talk about in this here thread.

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 01:15:14 PM

People might say other things and that's perfectly normal since they're not active in this thread. So let them be here and we will welcome them into a new family and maybe they have a lot of useful education about Bitcoin that they might pass on or post in this thread either today or in the future.

You are absolutely correct.

Even though in my last couple of responsive posts, I have repeatedly referred to nutildah in various forms of dweeb, nutildah is no dummy (not a complete dummy), and he is fairly well respected in parts of the forum because he tends to write fairly persuasively, and through the years, he has identified various scammers (even though he himself has gotten into some trouble for his own pumping of bullshit and arrogance in regards to forum rules that for some time, he did not feel that he needed to follow (like as if he was exempted from following some basic forum rules))..and yeah, I am not sure about the extent to which nutildah might have grown out of his own arrogance that he might not even be able to control very well without some kind of a bat slappening.. hahahahaha.

So, yeah, I think that part of your point ginsan is really valid in the sense that some of the more senior forum members, including nutildah, has the potential to really provide some valuable insight to some of the newer bitcoin investors that are getting involved in a thread like this one, yet instead of actually contributing to the topic, nutildah seems to be unable to actually recognize and appreciate a lot f the value that has come to bitcoiners (and budding bitcoiners) through the kinds of discussions that we are having in a thread like this, even though surely some of the participants might not be deserving of merits and they end up receiving them... yet likely the benefits of the discussions within the thread likely outweigh several of the disadvantages in which nutildah is proclaiming that this thread is lacking in quality in accordance with his own dumbass, biased and ill-informed interpretation regarding what he wishes to see is going on here rather than what really objectively is going on in this particular thread.

Maybe also it could be possible that nutildah doesn't hardly know shit about the various nuances of bitcoin accumulation and the abilities to attempt to relate to the so many varieties of newbies that come into bitcoin from a variety of perspectives, including potentially starting out their bitcoin journey from a shitcoiner and/or a gambling perspective, which they may well end up getting sorted out by reading and/or participating in a thread like this one.

Quote from: Lida93 on Today at 01:17:53 PM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on Today at 12:05:03 PM

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Maybe after calculating the total number of merits JJG has been distributed on this thread, if he nutildah had also calculated the total number of posts in this same thread that didn't received merits from JJG, perhaps he would have understood that JJG has a good judgement on all those posts that has received merits from him in this thread as a result of the importance of the information they convey.

You bring up a somewhat interesting point, Lida93 - since that nutildah seems to have had distracting us into believing that potentially there might be some kind of an objective standard that exists in which the smerit sending judgement of someone like me should be judged, and surely that is not the case, even though nutildah seems to want to plant that kind of a seed in the heads of forum members.

I suppose that one of the official remedies would be for nutildah to report me to admins, and we might not know if he had done so, and perhaps even he realizes that he is attempting to describe smerit sending standards that don't even exist beyond the space between his ears, so then his alternative approach seems to be to attempt to get forum members worked up into believing that "injustices are taking place" in the forum through some of the source merit forum members including that yours truly is amongst the greatest of culprits who flippantly ignores and flaunts common sense standards.. blah blah blah.. which is what nutildah wishes would be common sense because it is nutildah's own standard that he would like to impose on everyone (that little fuck-twat control freak.. hahahahaha).. so, yeah part of the journey is accomplished when he gets other forum members to believe that there is some kind of a standard that is being violated or that there should be such a standard, even though forum administrators are likely not even close to taking his side on the matter, so instead he wants to rile the troops, and surely the forum philosophy tends to error on the side of allowing members to post whatever they like, so nutildah can get away with spreading such shit-stirring and distracting exaggerations, even though he may well end up getting his lil-selfie into trouble by trolling this thread with his various lacking in substance meta accusations.

Quote from: Lida93 on Today at 01:17:53 PM

If it's due to the years of the existence of this thread that has made nutildah to call for it's needlessness anymore then it's a wrong call in my opinion because, the activeness of this thread till date has been very beneficial to all newbies joining the forum and old alike that are interested about investment knowledge on how to be a successful bitcoin hodler.

That is true. We get both new and older forum members coming around to better knowledge of bitcoin investment strategies and practices through our various posting and interactions in this thread.

Quote from: Lida93 on Today at 01:17:53 PM

Maybe if he could carefully look into those threads of five years ago and those of recent times he will discover that there is a difference between the experiences discussed about bitcoin hodling to those of today, because as bitcoin evolves, investors gain new experiences on the dynamics that sets in and supportive measures necessary to take into consideration on how better they can build their portfolio in the face of new challenges.

Well yeah, there are dynamics in both the changes to bitcoin, yet there are also dynamics in the entering of newbie bitcoiners who are not too likely to read more than 500 thread pages, and so for sure topics are repeated, and sometimes even some of us might change our perspectives on some of the topics or enter in some challenges in regards to how some of our ideas about bitcoin accumulation strategies might change based on some new developments in the space or the ways that some of the topics are discussed, since sometimes we are also arguing about semantics, too.. which our ways of talking about some of these bitcoin accumulation topics or the various related topics can change from time to time, too.

Quote from: Pi$$ on Today at 02:57:36 PM

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 12:33:33 PM

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What do you expect us to do now you have come here? I know you would think we should stop discussing here right? If the thread is to be closed then the OP should be the one to lock it and not your negative influence.

That is a good point.

What is it that nutildah expects us to do?

he is just distracting us from the actual topic, so probably what he should do is post his bullshit concerns in another thread (or topic) in order that many of us can attempt to get back to the main topics of this thread, that nutildah does not even seem to understand or come close to appreciating the level of helpful information that has been batted around in this thread, and perhaps even better information coming out in this thread in the last couple of years (right before the 2021 price run and even throughout the 2022 correction) and the various newbies that came to the forum during that 2021 and 2022 timeframe and even more recent entrants who seem to be coming to participate in this thread and even several newbies figuring out ways to tailorize some kind of a decently sound approach to giving some priority to bitcoin accumulation..

....and figuring out ways to attempt to engage in such BTC accumulation somewhat aggressively within their own circumstances in which they have to practice in order to learn about their own cashflow and psychological management attributes..so that they may well end up figuring out that they need to approach bitcoin more as an investment rather than a trade or a way to gamble.. which it can take a while to figure out how to balance those kinds of threshold considerations that might end up screwing up normies who do not practice the identification of thresholds regularly, which personally I think comes a lot more from practice rather than from talking about it, even though surely sometimes going over those kinds of discussion points in a thread like this will also help some of the newbies to figure out how to attempt to balance out their own situations... and yeah, we end up repeating topics over and over and over, so sometimes the clear articulation of points that respond to another member, even if repeated, will end up being deserving of an smerit, even though surely some regular members in this thread might not have a lot of smerits that they are able to send to potentially deserving members in this thread.

Quote from: lizarder on Today at 12:14:55 PM

Quote from: Barikui1 on Today at 10:31:01 AM

Yea, I think you are very much correct on this, most of the folks that are posting here have different motives why they are doing so, but on my own perspective, in as much as JJG usually rewards good post here, what have attracted me here is the kind of knowledge I have gained about Bitcoin, in a very short period of time, because their was a time I first came into this forum, during that time I knew nothing about invest in Bitcoin and especially how hold without tempering with it, but as I started reading most post on this thread, that is how I started gaining knowledge on Bitcoin gradually and how to navigate my way around it, and how the DCA accumulating strategy works, so their was much more improvement in my holding ability compared to before, so to me this thread really been helpful helpful to my growth as a newbies investors.

A person's capacity is different and maybe knowledge can be improved although sometimes the way of seeing problems is different. About the motive of posting here and I think it doesn't matter with the achievements given by anyone because everyone who gives must have a view and of course it is much better when someone starts to judge quality in a different way.

There is a lot of knowledge that we can get and of course bitcoin is the reason why we want to continue to be in the discussion. We can get complete information about purchasing patterns and accumulation methods here, so there is nothing wrong with a different way of thinking. The purpose of the investment we make is to gain financial freedom and maybe bitcoin is a means that we can use to achieve the end of the process we are running.

Quote from: Barikui1 on Today at 10:31:01 AM

Am say so because before now, It was only trading i knew off, but as I knew of Bitcoin investment and how it works, I started seeing things and started making decisions differently compared to before.

That is knowledge and we will learn how to understand something based on observation. There is nothing wrong with someone's perspective and assessment, but what we need to do is continue to see different sides of the truth. For example, why is bitcoin considered the best investment even though some oppose it because we see something different from the previous system. But why do some people still find it difficult to accept the truth and that is the same as having different opinions and maybe they don't want to accept something different from before.

It seems to me that over the years, a lot of what we have ended up emphasizing in this thread relates to knowledge and opinions being much stronger, better informed and even intellectually challenging when they have some experiential basis - which also seems to be part of the reason why so many of us in this thread talk about getting started investing in bitcoin as soon as possible so that we will be able to learn better by going through more of an interactive rather than theoretical learning process, which is also one of the great things about the forum, because sometimes some of the participants in this thread come out with some of their earliest of posts that are really dumb and even lacking in experience, but many times we can witness their posts becoming better composed and even more helpful to other members because not only are they reading some of the ideas of other members in this thread, but they are putting some of the bitcoin-related theories into practice by getting the fuck started and starting to buy bitcoin, even if they might ONLY be able to start out with buying relatively small amounts (such as $10 per week), but maybe after several months of practicing, managing their budget (expenses and income) they start to learn that they are able to ongoingly and continually increase the weekly amounts that they are investing into bitcoin without preoccupying themselves with bitcoin's seemingly inevitable volatility and price fluctuations and also without becoming overly concerned about their own abilities to hold onto their BTC or to continue to invest into BTC because ultimately they had ended up following some suggestions of this thread by buttressing various aspects of their cash reserves, even if sometimes it might take them a bit of time to figure out what to call the various categories of cash reserves that they have whether it is emergency funds, reserves and/or float, but many times, many of the the more active of the thread participants have ended up revealing and talking about various ways that they learned that having some cash on hand can end up making their bitcoin investment way more powerful, cause them to be way less sensitive to seemingly inevitable BTC price fluctuations, and to give them various levels of confidence in regards to that they are doing the right thing by having some allocation into bitcoin, even when many of us realize that bitcoin is a good asymmetric upside bet, but even if it is amongst the best, if not the best investment available, investing into bitcoin is still NOT guaranteed to being better than not investing into it...

and there are no guaranteed investments, so each of us has to figure out our own level of allocation into bitcoin without devolving into gambling.. either from overinvesting or underinvesting, so in the end each of us needs to figure out our own balancing of the 9 individualized investment factors in terms of how they specifically apply to our own situations rather than how some other member in this thread might end up applying those same categories of 9 factors which likely is different based on each of us having different circumstances that might sometimes overlap, yet we cannot really know the circumstances of other forum members (or thread participants) as well as we can attempt to be successful in knowing our own 9 individual factors.