Quote from: KeenanEl19 on Today at 12:01:51 AM

.... for those who are still beginners, it is unlikely that they can take long-term or long-term investments. because it requires consistency that is truly maintained.

What you are stating above KeenanEl19, makes little to no sense.. A person who is a long term investor into bitcoin and who has been in bitcoin for a long time already, they started out with a short period of time invested into bitcoin, and the passage of time contributed to their becoming a long time invested into bitcoin.

Someone who is beginning to invest into bitcoin could have had come to bitcoin as a long term or as a short term investor, and they might already know what their plan is from the start or they might change their mind in regards to what they are going to do regarding bitcoin sometime within the early days of their investment or during some volatility period, yet the mere fact that they have not been invested in bitcoin for a long time does not indicate either way, whether they are going to be able to be consistent or not.

Of course, if we might know about some of the details of some newbie investors, such as if they are reasonably investing within their discretionary income and they are providing themselves with various kinds of cash cushions, then it may well become more and more likely that they are going to be able to have a consistent investment in bitcoin and they are not going to be easily shaken out of their bitcoin investment due to lack of proper financial preparations... yet sure, there could be other things, besides having solid financial preparations that could influence whether a person decides to stay or not in their bitcoin investment in the long term, such as 4-10 years or longer.

Quote from: KeenanEl19 on Today at 12:01:51 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 06, 2024, 11:08:58 PM

Quote from: betswift on August 06, 2024, 06:04:12 AM

and this should be seen as an opportunity, for all people involved.

What do you mean?

Largely, in this thread we are talking about long term approaches to investing into bitcoin, so why does it really matter very much if the BTC price goes down a bit rather than up or sideways, especially if our investment timeline is relatively longer rather than shorter. Do you think that great differences happen merely because BTC's price dipped lower than expected? Seems like a BIG so what to me, especially for longer term investors who likely have investment time horizons for 4-10 years or longer.

indeed there are those who say that investing in Bitcoin is better in the long term, in my opinion it is true because even now it has fallen but now it has started to recover by more than 10%. for beginners who have just invested in Bitcoin it is natural for me to panic when they see the price of Bitcoin fall as experienced by my friend at that time without thinking twice immediately selling it even though he was in a loss condition.

4-10 years is not a short time, so in my opinion only a few people can really be consistent in doing it.

Yep. It is too bad that some folks get shaken out of their position and are not financially and/or psychologically prepared for BTC price dips. Frequently, someone might have little to no idea that s/he is a weak hand until they are put into a situation in which their resolve is tested, and surely sometimes, weak-handedness can become less likely if a person chooses a position size that is smaller - so figuring out a way to invest into bitcoin with an amount of money that they are willing to lose and/or willing to go to zero. Surely some of those folks might end up being labelled as whimpy investors, yet it probably is better to get into bitcoin as a whimpy investor rather than getting into bitcoin and then ending up selling at a loss.

But, hey, whatever. We know that even though bitcoin is amongst the best, if not the best investment available to normies, there are still going to be some folks who figure out ways to lose money on what should be a winning investment...and yeah, it is not guaranteed, even though so far historically, it has continued to reach new ATHs fairly regularly... yet sometimes there are needs to wait a whole cycle for a new ATH and also at the same time, every investor into bitcoin should recognize and appreciate that at any point during the investment, there is no guarantee that bitcoin will ever reach another ATH again.

Quote from: KeenanEl19 on Today at 12:01:51 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 06, 2024, 11:08:58 PM

Quote from: KeenanEl19 on August 06, 2024, 08:40:46 AM

..... but with those who have run BTC assets especially with those who experience MC of course this is a bad moment for them. there are advantages and disadvantages in this incident and it cannot be ascertained which one is more happening. ...

What is "MC"?

Holy shit. Any guys who use acronyms should make clear that the acronym is known. Usually the better practice is to say what it is (especially the first time that it is used in a post), unless it is a commonly used and widely known acronym..

MC stands for Margin Call which as far as I know is a notification or request from the perpetrator to an investor to inject additional funds into their margin account.

Newbies do not need to buy bitcoin with margin or leverage, and even experienced investors don't need to use those kinds of financial instruments. There are a lot of folks who have gotten rich as fuck by merely directly buying bitcoin, and so there is no evidence to suggest that bitcoin's investment thesis is weaker today than it has been historically, even though the amount of appreciation is likely not able to reach the same kinds of multiples and/or magnitudes as it has done historically, yet that still is no reason to fuck around with margin and/or leverage.. but hey, whatever there are folks who do that and some of them figure out how to turn a winning investment into a loser.

Quote from: KeenanEl19 on Today at 12:01:51 AM

This situation occurs when the value of the investment owned by the investor falls below the minimum level set by the perpetrator, known as the margin requirement. more or less like that, or like those who have BTC assets but have lost everything due to the price drop that has reached their previous capital point.

I doubt that you need to explain the concept.. and surely if you had stated what you meant by "MC" in your first post, then that would have had been enough for many of us, including yours truly, to look it up in the event that any of us might have not been sufficiently familiar with the concept or how you were using it in your post... to the extent it is even very relevant (or of interest) in regards to our discussion of long-term investing (rather than trading) in this thread.