Quote from: Richy_T on Today at 09:38:06 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 07:51:03 PM

Sometimes it can pay for itself to upgrade your car, yet there are a lot of trade offs, so you don't necessarily need to go from the current car that you have and into a new car, yet surely the market for used cars is going to vary in terms of what kind of quality car you might be able to get in terms of how much the price difference might be between new and used... but yeah, if you have a decently long timeline, such as 15 years or more, then it may well be worth it to start out with a new car and then you already know what you are starting with.. presuming that you sufficiently understand that some brand of cars might have better quality than other brands.

Conversely though, if you keep a car for 15 years, it is going to be 'old' and certainly not showroom fresh for most of it. So why pay a high premium for something you apparently don't value so much and rather get something still just as capable for a much lesser price at 1 or 2 years old.

I am not going to disagree with you, and something that is even 3 years old might still have the original manufacturer warranty.. and there can be cars that are of that age that are just like new... Surely there are geographical differences including the quality of available used cars on the market.

Quote from: Richy_T on Today at 09:38:06 PM

With that said, cars are not being built to last any more for a while and it's become worse as time goes on. My car is from 2000 and while the engine is still in fantastic shape as I near 300,000 miles and wear-and-tear on the mechanical parts is only to be expected, the plastics on the interior (and in some other places) have aged horribly. It's only worse now with screens and apps that will be obsolete and irreplaceable within 10 years (you already see this happening with some early navigation systems). It's a shame as we seemed to hit an inflection point for longevity with engine quality and galvanized panels and then it all started getting worse again. Anyway, I digress...

Of course, some of the cars are made with obsolescence in mind, and they want your replacing every 3-5 years at most.. .. .. including issues with right to repair too.... or abilities to get quality and compatible replacement parts with some of the complications of some of the electronics.

Quote from: Gachapin on Today at 09:55:30 PM

price sucks...

gonna go camping in the mountains with some friends and a huge sound system... you too have fun bros!

Call me out of touch, if you must, but from my perspective price performance of dee cornz is really not that bad.. especially considering we had a dip to $49.6k last Sunday.. so I am having difficulties being depressed about whatever bouncing around is happening currently.. touching various price points within $58k-$61k-ish in the last 24 hours.