Quote from: sana8410 on April 28, 2014, 10:43:10 PM

If anyone has read the Dead sea Scrolls also tell you not to eat beast is forbidden like Pigs, if ya know biology pigs resemble humans in the fetus for a couple of months. So religious eating meat can be wrong.

If you are religious, the Book of Daniel also has an interesting part that's about comparing "Royalty" meat eaters to vegetarians:

Daniel 1:11-1:16
"Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over him: "Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see." So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days. At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. So the guard took away their meat and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead."

Quote from: the joint on April 28, 2014, 03:23:32 AM

Here's what I've learned from my 12+ years of amateur bodybuilding experience - pending any medical abnormalities, you can eat just about anything you want so long as 1) your caloric expenditure is near equal to your caloric intake, 2) your metabolism is sufficient (if it's not, you can fix this *very* quickly), and 3) you bust your ass working out on a regular basis. One quote I remember from my personal trainer is, "There is no such thing as over-eating, only under-training."

My logic is: Why have to exert so much energy to losing weight when you can do so through a healthier diet and not exert as much effort? With that extra energy you will have you can use it on gaining mass or becoming leaner, whatever you want.

Here's a video someone sent me today: Video of Austin Texas Beef 12 Year Triathlon Firefighter Strong Man

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Before his transformation, Eric OGrey weighed in at 280 pounds and had a 50-inch waist. He was 51 at the time, and his doctor told him that unless he made immediate changes, he would probably live less than five years because of his poor health, which included type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. His medications cost more than $1,000 per month...

Today, he takes no medications, is down to 175 pounds, and has a trim 32-inch waist. His type 2 diabetes is gone, his total cholesterol is 130, and his blood pressure is 96/60. At 53, he says he can compete athletically with most 25-year-olds.

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For almost all of my life I ate the traditional western diet of meat and potatoes, drank my milk like a good boy, and steadily grew larger (read fatter) and unhealthier. Some years ago I had a couple of serious wake up calls that have forever changed my life.
The first was when I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. I was terrified; I really thought my life was over. I endured two years of major surgeries (the cancer had spread to my lymph nodes) but in the end I survived. I decided at that time that I wanted to live. Not just exist, but really live life, and this meant adopting a healthier lifestyle. I started running, I began eating a mostly vegetarian diet, and things started to get better for me at least physically.

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Speaking of working off carbs, heres my nephew Vaughn, who we were celebrating his 19th birthday for at OSF on this visit

Awesome! Very impressive. I used to bodybuild myself in my teens and 20′s, and when I went on a vegetarian diet for about 3 months, I had the same results. Well, I was never as chubby as he was (except for now maybe!), but that vegetarian diet did afford me ripped-up Six-Pack abs and an incredibly trim 29½ waistline. Dont even ask what my waistline is now. lol

Also something else I learned today, this huge man who earned the title of "Germany's Strongest Man" is also Vegan:

So yeah it's a pretty damn awesome diet most people have never tried or heard about. Never felt more alive. Lots of testimonials on page 4 I quote here:

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 03:26:11 PM

Quote from: master-P on April 22, 2014, 05:53:41 AM

OP it seems you were leading an unhealthy lifestyle and had a bad diet before. You said you ate at all the fast-food places. Maybe that's why you feel better and more energized now.

Let's see now. According to Consumer Trends, 83% of Americans (Vegans only make up .5% of the population) have to drink coffee every single morning just so they can wake up for the day.

Then in the afternoon they have to drink even more coffee. Then companies started coming out with energy drinks just so these guys can get through their day without feeling so tired and lethargic all the time. They came out with drinks like Monster and 5 Hour Energy filled with tons of crap that's not good for your health and people actually drink it (there are actually a lot of deaths attributed to Monster and 5 Hour Energy and other energy drinks).

Here is a poll on some Vegan forum about the amount of energy they had before and after:

Here are some quotes from the same thread about people who used to feel like crap before, but now they feel completely unstoppable throughout their day. My case isn't special by the way, a lot of other people experience this same exact thing that I describe myself:

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

More energy. Especially in the morning. It used to take me ages to wake up and get active in the mornings, now I have no trouble. I wake up and seem to bounce out of bed full of life. I also don't get so tired during the day either and can sleep better at night.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

My stamina is off the scale now. Before going vegan I was getting fat and could barely run a mile. Now, a short two months later I'm jogging three, easily. I also require less sleep and get more rejuvination from what sleep I get.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

I noticed (especially within the first couple of months of going vegan) that I had loads more energy! I am sure my new diet had a lot to do with me not feeling so tired and lethargic all the time. Also, I have found that I can generally operate well receiving approximately 7 hours sleep per night (with the occaisional sleep in). In my pre-vegan days, I used to require 9 hours sleep at night.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

I was already pretty energetic before but now I still feel energetic but I dont have that typical "crash" around dinner-time. I can go all day and be productive. It also takes me less time to study. That means more time to run in circles!!

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

When I became a lacto ovo vegetarian, I didn't notice much of a change in my energy level. When I went vegan, my energy is sky high! It's amazing how much dairy can sap energy.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

Sometimes I get maybe 3 hours sleep in a 24 hour period, and whereas that used to kill me, I don't feel half bad. I rarely have to reach for the caffiene, and my brain at work seems more alert than before.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

My energy has gone up after switching to vegan! My two friends who just recently switched said theirs went up too.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

Even if it wasn't an ethical necessity - I'd still be vegan simply because of the extra energy it gives me - I do manual labour & look after my four kids so I need all the energy I can get...

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

I am on the verge of 85 and still work as hard as ever. I have lived quite long enough and am trying to die; but I simply cannot do it. A single beef-steak would finish me; but I cannot bring myself to swallow it. I am oppressed with a dread of living forever. That is the only disadvantage of vegetarianism

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

i used to get tired after playing a 4 hour gig on drums with a band. nowadays, and at 48 years old, i am still drumming like i was 20 years old, and i owe it to the combination of yoga and a vegan diet, plus trying to eat as raw as possible.

Quote from: CoinGeneral on April 22, 2014, 05:07:48 AM

The other day I went out...I arrived at the club at 11:30 (btw I hadn't had much sleep the previous night) ....people who arrived a few hours later had given up dancing waaaay before I did....I didnt stop until nearly 5 am. When asked HOW ON EARTH I did it..I yelled "VEGANISM"

If you don't believe yet, it makes us feel unstoppable and filled with energy, plus we rarely get sick, and we are a lot smarter and stronger than before. We don't even miss out on eating 'meat' because that tastes terrible compared to the foods we eat now.

Most people would rather drink coffee every morning, screw up their thinking process, feel a crash in the afternoon, drink more coffee, screw up their body and brains further, rather than just eating healthier food that would literally solve all of their problems.

But you are lucky to see this kind of information online. I would never have become Vegan had I not seen another person talking about its benefits in another website and exposed me to this kind of information. Most people will never even meet a Vegan in their entire life let alone ever know that such a diet that will boost their energy to last throughout days, cure diseases without pills, and make them better overall exists.