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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 12, 2024, 10:25:24 AM

I'm experienced in the world of trading and investing to know the difference between the two and the fact that our view didn't align doesn't make me less right. This is the same mistake you always make thinking I mistake trading for investing but still didn't change anything because I stand with what I wrote, it's my philosophy of investment and the DCA approach and is working for me.

Actually from your statement JayJuanGee was not wrong in what he was saying because your understanding or perception about DCA seem to be very different from the actual course and aside from that I can't even comprehend what you actually mean by "what if at the end the investors who use DCA end up not getting anything from there strategy, do you mean that DCA is not the right strategy?

I have my doubts whether he or even guys like him outperform the DCAers or the other guys who are mostly just buying and holding, and so several of the BTC buyers/holders/long term investors made multiples and even magnitudes of profits in regards to their strategies, in part due to compounding value, yet frequently the traders are not coming even close to similar levels of profits as compared to bitcoiners who mostly errored on the side of accumulating (through buying only) and holding.

You are right because on a normal sense I don't think there are other principles or strategy that outperform DCA as a long term holding in regards to the measure of profit because if for instance those that claim that they make more better profit in trading than holders, let's say for example they bought when the price was $55k and later on the price move to $60k and maybe they profited $2k and while they keep waiting for the price to position for them to buy again instead the price move very higher possibly to the extent of almost hitting $80k so they will be left with no option but to buy at that price and by that time they will realize that even with the $2k profits they had plus total capital will not even be enough to accumulate the amount of Bitcoin they had during there first entry which is considered as wasted investment, meanwhile the profit that would possibly be reflecting on the portfolio of those who are holding will be much higher because they have a large amount of Bitcoin, so actually this is what most traders who claims they always stand on a better opportunity in gaining than holders needs to understand because if most of them will calculate there losses and profits they will realize that they have not profited anything.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 12:59:47 AM

It could be that a trader does not necessarily want to tie up his capital for too long in any particular trade unless he sees it to be profitable, and so will have some difficulties recognizing value in regards to investing that ties up capital for a long period of time...

Traders are so attached to the process of making profit in a quicker way and as such seeing any other method that doesn't work in line with what they want as an unsuitable investment for them which is why they will always object or compare trading with holders without knowing that mathematically holders are the most profitable investment because trading is a win and lose investment while holders portfolio continues to grow as the Bitcoin increases.

Exactly the point, how would someone even compare trading and hodling profitability, to me it sound so absurd and unrealistic, it is an establishment fact that the tendency of losing all your capiatal is very high and no matter the profit you make sometimes in trading which doesn't come always both trading and hodling cant be compared in terms of profit, the profit will be made by a holder will always surpass that of a trader, for instance a holder who has since bought his Bitcoin at a lower price when bitcoin was in a very dip price and continue holding until Bitcoin price reach very high in the future, will you compare such investor with with a trader whose mindset is for a shoterm profit thats uncertain, I dont think its possible.
I think people should do this things practically before they compare because I believe that any trader that understands this fact won't think of making this kind of comparison, comparing something that's highly unrealistic and something that we already know what the future says about it, is just like a joke for me.

It is possible that in bitcoin sometimes traders will beat investors, especially in short-term timeframes, yet the longer they trade bitcoin rather than invest, the less likely that they would have had been able to beat any of the bitcoin holders who mostly focused on accumulating BTC through ongoing buying and holding.

So part of my point is that even though some traders might be able to been investors, their techniques, strategies practices are far from replicable (especially since they vary so much), and it also takes a quite a bit of training and experience to learn how to trade, yet even the training and experience does not assure that traders would have had historically been able to beat bitcoin investors.. .. so it is misleading to be pumping trading as some kind of thing that normal and regular people can do, especially when it likely is pretty rare that any of them are actually beating the longer term BTC investors holders and those who are ongoingly accumulating BTC through buying.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 12, 2024, 04:26:58 PM

You feel that I am more static, but you are not really saying anything in terms of whatever it is that you are suggesting, except that you believe that guys need to ready willing and able to trade, and there is no reason for me to agree with you about that.

Traders can do whatever they like, and find out if their techniques work or not as compared with a more straight-forward DCA approach.

Bro, I've mentioned many times that this is not about trading but investing, I would have been particular about trading if I wanted to. And I don't know the specifics you are referring to because I made myself clear in the previous post before the last one.

In addition, you might read the above reply I had for the OP I replied to from the beginning of this episode and tell me another fault you observe.

I have already sufficiently responded to your points various times, and your desire to call yourself an investor even though surely I would consider you to be a trader when you cannot even establish at least a 4-year timeline for holding your BTC (which would mean that you are not selling, except maybe through spend and replace). Multiple times you have proclaimed yourself to be more sophisticated because you are playing the price waves and selling BTC at various points in time in order to improve your DCA performance, and so that sounds like trading to me, and I don't even give too many shits what you do, except you are being misleading when you are suggesting that selling is a technique to accumulate more BTC as compared with strictly buying and holding techniques.

In the end, you are free to have your own definition of investing, yet I am still going to proclaim it is misleading to call yourself an investor when you are not even planning to hold for at least 4 years and you are employing various selling techniques, so surely the part of your BTC holdings that you do not sell, might be considered as investment (perhaps), even though you are trading with another part of your BTC holdings and proclaiming that you are improving your overall BTC performance by employing selling techniques to accumulate more BTC.

Furthermore, there is no need for me to repeat myself or to go back and study potential nuances that might exist in your various claims. If you want to clarify any of your practices and/or suggest how the specifics of your practices are replicable, then feel free to explain so that the rest of us might be able to learn from your techniques if there might be something that might be learnable and/or replicable... or do you just want us to subscribe to your upcoming newsletter to find out your secrets?