Quote from: reefsea on September 20, 2024, 10:22:58 PM

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on September 20, 2024, 02:07:01 PM

@Zanab247, I guess that you are going off topic because this is not a trading topic and there is nothing like short-term hodler. A hodler is someone who only buy bitcoin and does not want to sell it for a very long period of time but just keep it in his possession without giving a fuck about the price of bitcoin. Short-term investors are called traders because they are only after buying and selling too quick.

You're wrong, there's a thing like short-term holder and a short-term holder also known as weaker hands is a person whose Bitcoin purchase has not reached 155 days before selling off either for profits or loss while long-term holders (strong hands) are those who holds for relatively Longer period of time and when short-term holders are selling off their investments, long-term holders are busy accumulating regardless of the pricing because they have the intention of keeping their investments for a longer period of time.

There's nothing like a holder, it's either you're a short-term holder, or a long-term holder. The precision in the prefix differentiate the two with respect to the duration of their holding.

Short-term investment I think the duration is under one year and long-term investment the duration is over one year.

You are free to label your timeline however you like, yet if you understand that historically bitcoin has been on a 4-year cycle pattern and there is no reason to NOT continue to consider bitcoin on a 4-year cycle pattern, then you should realize that if you are planning to hold bitcoin for any less than 4 years, then you are most likely trying to play BTC's wave, which is not investing.. It is trading.

But hey, whatever, call it what you like.

Another thing the ONLY reason that ONLY a 4-year investment timeline would be reasonable would be based on age, health or other investment shortening circumstances, so that in other words, most investments should attempt to have longer timelines of 10, 20, 30 years or longer... and surely if any of us builds up an investment portfolio that largely involves bitcoin, then it would be reasonable to consider bitcoin as a lifelong investment in which at some point we might start to draw upon it after we have gotten it to a level that allows us to either use it as a sustainable income for all of our income or perhaps to supplement other cashflows that we might have later down the road.

But hey whatever do what you like if you actually consider one year to be long term and you are failing refusing to recognize and appreciate the power of bitcoin as an actual long term investment that should be 4-10 years or longer. You are free to do what you like, including but not limited to having fun staying poor.

Quote from: reefsea on September 20, 2024, 10:22:58 PM

However, on average, currently more people want to apply their investments for the long term with the aim of their retirement. Sometimes things happen that make them stop accumulating and they are included in short-term investments.
Now talking about holders I think that is the right word for those who do not sell their btc ownership at any time. Loyalty to holding btc above an average of 10 years of course they are holders.

Once you reach enough BTC, then you can engage in sustainable withdraw practices that might be either price based or time based, so there is no need to sell all of your bitcoin in order to follow a sustainable withdrawal system in which BTC's value is likely going up faster than you are withdrawing from it.. so it becomes almost perpetually sustainable if you don't overly withdraw... so if for example, if you need an income of $6,666 per month, then in traditional investments you would need to have $2million in assets to withdraw at 4% per year, yet with bitcoin you may well only need to have $800k in assets (valued at the 200 WMA value - which is a bottom price) and able to withdraw at 10% per year... and still be equally sustainable.. yet if there is not confidence in the outline that I just provided, then you could accumulate more BTC in order to have a sufficient cushion to allow confidence in regards to its sustainability - and surely each per son is responsible for figuring out his own sustainable withdrawal parameters, yet the point is that there is no need to sell all your BTC when BTC is the best place to have value and there are likely preferences to spend from other assets and income sources prior to spending from your BTC.. in accordance with Gresham's law princiiples.

Quote from: reefsea on September 20, 2024, 10:22:58 PM

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Quote from: justinlamode on September 20, 2024, 01:38:27 AM

Holding for few years is just what we generally regard as investment since trading is seen from the angle of a couple of days or months before the selling. I think it is necessary to make that distinction for the purpose of the discussion because even short term investment is not too different from position trading which involved holding for several months and sometimes years.

Thinking on trading as the practice of holding only for days or up to few months before selling, makes the activity even more risky for those seeking for a reliable source of profit, at same time it becomes more similar to gambling activity. Regards short term investments in crypto industry, I fear it's not possible to name them as investments due to the unpredictability factor involved. Analysis don't work on short run here, therefore it's a better idea to focus the investments made in crypto aiming long term returns exclusively.

Trading practices are adherents to making quick profits but many risks. Not many are successful unless they change their course to become a holder. Among other things, major accidents in trading practices are the problem of fees that you must always pay in every trade made, often also experiencing losses due to panic and that falls into two categories in two things, loss capital, fee costs you must pay.
So of course choosing to be a long-term investor is a wise choice with the main goal of buying bitcoin not other crypto.

I largely agree with your points here in terms of investing, buying holding is better than trading, yet I still disagree with your earlier assertion that 1 year is long term investing..

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Quote from: DubemIfedigbo001 on September 20, 2024, 03:47:31 PM

Quote from: Ruttoshi on September 20, 2024, 02:07:01 PM

@Zanab247, I guess that you are going off topic because this is not a trading topic and there is nothing like short-term hodler. A hodler is someone who only buy bitcoin and does not want to sell it for a very long period of time but just keep it in his possession without giving a fuck about the price of bitcoin. Short-term investors are called traders because they are only after buying and selling too quick.

You're wrong, there's a thing like short-term holder and a short-term holder also known as weaker hands is a person whose Bitcoin purchase has not reached 155 days before selling off either for profits or loss while long-term holders (strong hands) are those who holds for relatively Longer period of time and when short-term holders are selling off their investments, long-term holders are busy accumulating regardless of the pricing because they have the intention of keeping their investments for a longer period of time.

There's nothing like a holder, it's either you're a short-term holder, or a long-term holder. The precision in the prefix differentiate the two with respect to the duration of their holding.

In this context, you are the wrong one. Read again if you don't understand what he meant by hodler Hodler in this context means the ability to hold something for long. You can hold something for a long and say short-term holder. Maybe you are contradicting holder to holder. Maybe before you jump into an argument you should ensure you read through the sentence so that you won't argue blindly.

And meanwhile, your explanation for short-term and long-term lacks clarity yet you tend to prove someone right to be wrong.

Thanks for pointing that out, I think I didn't read very clearly, I thought I saw Holder, but it was Holder, such things can be confusing you know? I'll contribute in support then.

The philosophy of a Hodler is rooted in a long-term belief in the fundamental value and potential of cryptocurrencies, it’s a strategy that leverages the power of patience over the high-risk, high-reward nature of active trading.

Hodlers typically believe that despite the short-term market fluctuations, the intrinsic value of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin will see exponential growth in the long run.

This belief often extends to a conviction that cryptocurrencies will eventually supplant traditional currencies and reshape the global financial landscape.
https://www.techopedia.com/definition/hodler#:~:text=Is%20it%20Hodler%20or%20Holder,Bitcointalk%20forum%20post%20in%202013.

There seems to be mischaracterizations and misleading statements in regards to both you DubemIfedigbo001 and that article to be lumping bitcoin and crypto together as if they were the same thing, when the term crypto is vague, misleading and frequently disingenuinely being used.

There is no reason to hold other cryptos, so HODLing only applies to long term investments, such as bitcoin. You cannot have confidence with any shitcoin to hold in the long term, so frequently shitcoins are trades rather than long term investments.