Quote from: cpu6502 on Today at 07:55:36 PM

Quote from: BADecker on Today at 06:55:14 PM

Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live?

Because it's better to die fighting for what you believe in, with honour and courage, than surrendering and dying in some Russian holocaust style gas/torture chamber hell.

If they surrender they are dead men/woman/children walking anyway, the logical option is to fight.

If you believe in your own death, why not simply commit suicide and get it over with?

If you believe the West is really going to support you, why didn't you get your big weapons from them before you started the war in 2014?

If you think that Russia is going to kill you if you surrender, where is your evidence of such?

Russia has backed away many times in this war to keep from harming civilians. If they start harming them now, it's because they are angry at Ukrainian stupid aggression which just doesn't seem to want to stop.

If Ukrainians gave in to Russian demands at the peace table - which demands don't include conquering all of Ukraine - the war would be over, and people would live. Russia is going to win this thing anyway. Does Ukraine really want to die?

I agree that you have your choice. I wouldn't force you to keep from killing yourself if you really wanted to do it. And I agree that Ukraine has that choice as well. But they don't make any sense to die for nothing, and lose it all. Dying for pride is dying for stupidity. Surrender and live.

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