Quote from: Eternad on October 16, 2024, 11:56:47 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 04:25:18 AM

I had seen the thread before and I guess because of the title I hadn't stopped to read it but now I see that it is 174 pages long, a spam megathread at its best.

Credits to the merit hunter spammer to make it possible. You will notice that same group of user keep spamming same Bitcoin thread like El Salvador thread that is still active and the buy the dip.

It’s easy to accomplish a plus 1 post and a higher chance of merit on that thread due to the merit source active on these thread.

There is ONLY one merit source active in those mentioned threads? I wonder which about merit source you are referring? Surely, your factual representation is wrong even if there might be one or more members who has tended to send more smerits in your referenced threads as compared with other merit source members who might not regularly participate in the threads that you are referring to.

Are you suggesting that such merit source member, to the extent that you might ONLY be referring to one merit source member, is engaging in some kind of improper behavior in regards to the sending of such source merits? If so, have you reported or considered reporting such merit source member? Or maybe you have no basis for your accusation and you are just throwing out such accusation in order to imply some kind of improper behavior might be taking place, and you have shit for evidence (brains) - neither logic nor facts?

Perhaps you are attempting to suggest that there exists some kind of a source merit sending standard that is being violated? or you are wanting to imply such a merit source sending standard that actually does not exist, but you want to insinuate that such a merit source standard exists, when it doesn't? You probably should realize and appreciate that you likely have a burden to show evidence (logic and/or facts) of some kind of abuse that has been occuring, since there is no forum merit source sending standard in the kind of vague bullshit that you seem to be implying to be the case.

Quote from: Ambatman on October 16, 2024, 01:22:02 PM

100 Push-up a day isn't even strenuous especially if you have been working out for sometime
It would be to a Noob or individuals that barely or has been inactive from exercises for a while.
Individuals there are adviced to start knowing their capacity and start building.
I don't really care why the thread was created but it did help me pickup exercising again
And I must say, it did help
Though I don't post anymore since schedules are tight and shit
I still find time to work some muscle out even if it is not as effective as beating limits everytime
It's something especially to an individual that sits in the office all the time.

You might call the name stupid, or the goal stupid but atleast it helps those who really perform it.

I am glad to hear that you participated in the pushup challenge thread, and you appreciate the idea of pushups.

Your claim that doing 100 pushups per day is easy is defied by your own admission that you were not ready, willing and/or able to continue to do pushups every single day between the time that you started up until now.

It is easier said than done to do pushups every single day, even for some guys who might not even be doing 100 pushups each day, and in some ways doing pushups every single day could be (and sometimes is) compared with investing into bitcoin on a regular, consistent, persistent and ongoing basis - easier said than done.

If we are in a pushup thread (such as the thread referenced in OP), such participation is voluntary, and we really cannot know for sure whether the participants are actually doing the pushups that they claim to be doing, just like when we are in a bitcoin investing thread, we cannot really determine if the participants are buying the bitcoin that they claim to be buying. At the same time, I do consider that we have quite a bit of good content in that thread, including but not limited to the script that has been created and maintained by DirtyKeyboard that seems to inspire more guys to get involved in doing pushups and providing their pushup report whenever they are able to provide such updated pushup report and in order to have their username included within that daily posted pushup table that currently contains the names of 74 forum members.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: ABCbits on October 16, 2024, 08:56:47 AM

I don't think it's stupid. But it could follow Wall Observer's treatment, where the thread doesn't show signature.

I think its easier and more appropriate to move it to Off Topic.

If that is the essence of your dispute, then has such question been presented to administrators and if they decided not to move it, then what is the problem with the thread? it has been going for almost 9 months with ongoing interest.. even though maybe some members are no longer reporting their pushups, so we ONLY have around 34 members (slightly fewer than 1/2 of the total number of pushup report submitters) who have reported their pushups in the last 30 days.

Another thing is that there have been thread participants who had not officially submitted pushup reports, and other thread participants who chimed in on the thread based on related topics, rather than actually talking about whether they were interested in doing pushups or not.

Even though I don't have any evidence of non-participating members reading the thread or perhaps members of the public reading the thread, there have been other places in bitcoinlandia in which 100 pushups per day until $100k has been discussed since at least around the time of the start of the thread (early February 2024). I would imagine that there are some non-members of public that might read the thread and/or might even decide to join the forum based on the existence of such thread (even though I don't have any evidence of that).

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: Alone055 on October 16, 2024, 11:33:03 AM

You are being completely unreasonable here...

Come on now, even a kid would get the humor in that and know that it's just editing and it's done for fun.

The only thing that is unreasonable here is that this thread is kept in that section. It belongs to Off Topic. You want (alleged) exercise and fun? Go to OT.

Report it then, and surely that is a discretionary choice that an administrator might choose to agree to... even though it hardly seems as BIG of a deal as you are making it out to be.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on October 16, 2024, 11:49:11 AM

That thread might look like spam, but most of the posters there aren’t spammers. It might seem silly to you, but others love that thread, and as someone mentioned earlier, it’s all about humor.

If they love that thread so much they will still keep loving it on off topic.

Sure. Any forum member who already has the thread on his watchlist would still have the thread on his watchlist, and the attraction of new forum members may or may not change based on which section the thread is included, yet I thought that you had already mentioned that forum administrators are less likely to move a thread that has already been existing for a long time as compared with a brand new thread?

yeah, we know administrators would still be able to move the thread, but they might not want to move the thread since it has already been in the speculation section for 8.5 months.. and surely I don't claim to know what administrators will do, even though it seems like "no big deal" either way.. except that you are whining about such an administrative discretionary thing that does not seem to be a very BIG deal either way.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 16, 2024, 11:59:25 AM

OP, you mentioned doing 100 pushups a day is nonsense for anyone who knows anything about physical education....I'm curious as to why you wrote that. I'm no expert in that field, but I'd think it'd be great for increasing arm strength if not the price of bitcoin, no? I am truly wondering about that (not that I'd be able to even get close to 100 pushups in this lifetime).

It's bullshit because you only work the upper part of the body and you don't increase the workload, unless you are able to do less than 100 (which you can do in several rounds during the day), and if you increase it, yes, but even then the improvement is very limited. It would be better to complete it with other exercises to train the whole body, starting with squats, which you can do without weight first and then with weight that you have available at home. And above all, it is crucial to increase the workload and vary it. If you want to do push ups, first do normal push ups, increased to x reps and then you can combine them with isometrics, incline, supersets, etc.

The thread is about pushups, so who gives any shits about the other aspects of physical fitness that you are mentioning.. Sure some of those kinds of ideas have come up in the thread in the last 8.5 months, yet many times members attempt to mostly redirect our discussion towards pushups, so if there is some desire to create a topic about some other kind of exercise, physical fitness or whatever, else then so be it. We largely just focus on pushups in that thread with merely some incidental mentioning of some other topics that might relate to other exercises, the advantages disadvantages or resistance exercises versus cardio or perhaps some sideline discussions of nutrition and/or sleep.. but still mostly pushups and our hoping that bitcoin prices go to $100k sooner or later, remains as most of the focus of that particular thread discussion.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 16, 2024, 01:20:10 PM

People need to stop taking random ideas on the Internet too literally. OgNasty thought of doing pushups and encouraged everyone to follow him. To me, that's fun and healthy, because it creates an environment of patience and discipline, while it keeps a fun character.

What people have to stop thinking about is that this thread is fit for Speculation.

You have some kind of a proclamation about what other members need to "stop" thinking about? I tend to want to strive towards working towards positive ideas rather than negative ideas, except when it comes to shitcoins.. but hey anyways some of the positive ideas related to the pushups thread and how it may relate to the BTC price approaching $100k someday seems to already largely be stated in the OP and repeated in at various points in the now 178 subsequent pages. From my perspective, your seeming disputes about the thread (to the extent that they are even genuine) seem trivial at best and more likely to be hateful rather than really addressing any kind of important concern about the thread, and/or about the ways that various forum members are participating in such thread to date.

Perhaps "we" should solicit theymos to participate to cause 100 pushups until $100k to be "official," which any of us should recognize and/or appreciate that high ranking (or longer term) forum members need not participate in such thread in order to make it "official" since the thread is already quite "high quality" if I do happen to say so myself. Tongue

Quote from: Shishir99 on October 16, 2024, 02:52:27 PM

Quote from: nutildah on October 16, 2024, 12:32:40 PM

[v2][Self Moderated] In Merits, Count Down To Your Next Rank...
El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender!
Buy the DIP, and HODL!

These are the threads my local friends utilize very well. WO was the favourite one, but some of you started to giving them neutrals and trust exclusions, so my friends decided to use different threads where Jay is active. Because he loves every posts where the writer acts like they are Bitcoin maximalist. Since these threads are big, my friends exchanges merits between them and nobody notice that if no one checks their profile. It seems you guys started to looking into those threads as well. You got no chill man. Huh

So if you are not necessarily suggesting that "Jay" is abusing his merit sending abilities, but instead other forum members (newbies presumptively) know how to play him for some smerits.

Is this a problem or not?

If it is a problem, then what might be some kind of a proposed way to address such purported problem?

Quote from: EFS on October 16, 2024, 02:56:11 PM

The stupidest thread on Bitcointalk is probably this one. Why are you crying in Meta for a thread that has nothing to do with you?
Some people are really weird. If you are too lazy to get your ass off the couch and do push-ups, that's your problem; but don't try to stop someone else.

Hahahahaha

That is a decently good point.

OP Don Pedro had proposed 100 farts as a substitute for pushups. .which he probably did not even end up doing.. .. which is really literally and figuratively poo pooing the ideas and practices of daily pushups.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 16, 2024, 03:57:04 AM

Oh my God, what a stupid thread. And it's 174 pages long, so I'm not surprised. Serious threads rarely go over 5 pages and bullshit threads like this one usually go over 100 pages.

I'm going to fart 100 times but not because it's going to make the price go up but just because I've got the urge after seeing such nonsense.

Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on October 17, 2024, 04:47:36 AM

Now I see people starting to criticize the OP for creating this thread. If you guys can accept a thread like that one, why don't you accept this thread? Whoever is saying that thread is helping people stay healthy and wait for the 100K, did you guys verify if they were push-ups or not? How do you do that, actually? I can just go to that thread and post every day that I did a hundred pushups while I was sitting on my couch.

It would be best if you did not make fun of everything. Even if that thread is just for Humour purposes, you should know that not everyone will get it. People are stupid enough to believe everything on the internet. Otherwise, they wouldn't invest in those Ponzi schemes that promise 100% returns within 24 hours.

Pushups and pushup reports are voluntary, and there is no real and/or meaningful way that we can verify the proof of work of the actual pushups of the forum members submitting such pushup reports..

If we want to verify proof of work, the best kind of proof of work verification seems to be bitcoin. Op seems to be geting backlash because he is a hater, and you seem to want to join in on his nonsense since you seem to be wanting to defend his largely nonsensical claims.

Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on October 17, 2024, 05:01:41 AM

Maybe those who participated are actually doing some push up, why not its healthy, if its reaches a dozen pages means that it has users engaging with the thread and some are interested.

I cant see why the thread should be called a stupid one, but I believed people joining are just simply like the idea and participated thats all no hiccups. I think not a big deal OP, like others opinion. It was just for humor and I think it is.

The idea of it being on an off-topic rather than on the speculation section still depends on the moderator discretion.

The Satoshi expression was likely just humor and probably should have had some kind of a reference or note to show that the expression was modified.. yet sometimes humor loses its funniness if the joke is explained.

The pushup thread is no joke and no humor, even though active participants in the thread likely are having fun with some aspects of the thread, including being able to see their results in a daily pushup table, thanks to the efforts, innovativeness and even persistency of DirtyKeyboard to display and adapt daily pushups and some other related information within the table(s) from time to time.

It is not easy to do pushups everyday for any of us guys who are actually doing pushups, so any of you guys proclaiming that pushups are a joke, they are easy, they don't have ramifications or they are not important, then you should probably try doing such pushups yourselves (even modified pushups if you cannot do full form pushups) before you criticize others for either doing such pushups on a daily basis and/or for participating in a thread that connects doing pushups to aspirations of when and how long it might take for the BTC price to go up to $100k..

Quote from: _act_ on October 17, 2024, 09:32:49 AM

Quote from: NotATether on October 17, 2024, 06:03:09 AM

[For me, if I had to choose the "stupidest thread", (and let me be very clear, I don't see any 'stupid threads' on this site), it would not be this thread or that one but the Wall Observer thread. Would it not make more sense to yelp about that one? I mean, it even went to the point where administrators disabled signatures on that thread.

This is all just pointless bickering.

People are having different opinions. As some people said already that the post belongs to off-topic, some people are supporting it for it to remain on bitcoin speculation board. Although if we should see it very well, the post does not fall under what we can called bitcoin speculation because the thread is not about speculating bitcoin price. But as you see reputed people gave OP merit so many more people gave OgNasty merit. Even a staff is among people that gave him merit. OP should know that opinion of people would be different about this and nothing will be changed. But if it is a newbie that posted that topic, it would be moved to off-topic asap.

Of course, higher ranked members are going to be treated differently from newbies, and I doubt that newbies have grounds to expect to be treated the same as higher ranked members.. especially if there might be some borderline discretionary issues that could go either way, such as a forum administrator's decision in regards to which section to allow a thread and then also whether to move the thread after it had already been in existence for 8.5 months.

Sure, it can take a bit of time for newbies to rank up and to provide various kinds of quality and/or substantive posts in which they will start to be known by other forum members and even by moderators and administrators, and even trusted more after they have been around for some time, as contrasted to when they are relatively new to the forum...

I am having some difficulties with the logic of implying some kind of need that in these kinds of circumstances that relative newbie members should be treated the same as higher ranked and relatively well-known members... and surely there is a bit of discretion from admin, and perhaps there might be some kinds of instances in which forum longevity and/or rank does not matter.. but still, it is a bit of strange point that seems to have been repeated to suggest that OgNasty is getting special treatment based on his having had been around a while...and even that is quite speculative as for the reason that the thread has so far been allowed to stay in speculation rather than getting moved to off-topic.

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 19, 2024, 12:56:45 AM

Quote from: Perfectbaby on October 19, 2024, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: ABCbits on October 16, 2024, 08:56:47 AM

I don't think it's stupid. But it could follow Wall Observer's treatment, where the thread doesn't show signature.

Absolutely correct 👍
If this is done that way then there will be low interest as I believe that those who are posting in that are doing that for paid purpose.

And again, my question is what if bitcoin hits $100k what becomes of that thread?

Locked or trash to archive, or there will be another thread created to catch bitcoin on 500k again?

It will close. Og will close it.

I will start a new thread about keeping btc over 100k and driving towards 200k and I am willing to start it in off topic.

This is known as a compromise. So let's have go and Don Pedro agree to it.
problem solved.

You cannot agree for OgNasty, and there would be no reason to close the thread merely because the BTC price reached and/or exceeded $100k.. .that would be OgNasty's discretion whether or not to close it, and if there is still active participation in the thread, there would likely be no reason to close it, even if Don Pedro and his buddies are whining about it.

I also consider the thread to have hardly anything to do with OgNasty, even if he created the OP and he has the authority to close it.. otherwise, it is just a thread that deals with pushups and the BTC price going to $100k, and even that could be amended to be $100k plus or whatever and keep the thread as it is, more or less.

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 19, 2024, 06:13:57 PM

even if I am the only person on the thread that is doing the actual exercises.

I could do a video of the pushups to show I do them. and post them on this thread as I personally want to continue to exercise and use btc along with bitcointalk to promote my health.

since I know I do the exercises.

There is no need for you or any other member of that thread to prove they are doing the pushups that they claim to do.. whether for opsec purposes or otherwise. We are on the honor system in that thread, and surely voluntary since no member should feel any pressure to show his pushups (as proof of work), even though there have been some members who had chosen to show some pieces of personal information (potential proof) that seemed to have had been completely (or almost completely) voluntary within their choice to provide such information.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 20, 2024, 03:37:24 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 19, 2024, 08:18:34 PM

[edited out]

Don't divert the topic, you and others, like mindrust. In the OP I make not a single reference to merit. My argument is based on three points:

1. Doing 100 push ups a day is a load of bull.

2. Thinking that those push ups are going to have any sort of relationship to price is an even bigger load of bull.

3. Conclusion: neither of those two things have to do with anything remotely resembling speculation on the price of bitcoin, so it has to be moved to off topic.

Regarding your number 3, you seem to be a wee bit presumptuous in regards to the thread being moved.

I am not going to claim to know what admin is going to do, yet it remains in their discretion whether to move the pushup thread from its current location in speculation and into off topic.. because of your whining and the whining of a few of your supporters, who are trying to proclaim that OgNasty has bad motivations in regards to the thread and/or its location, which does not seem to be motivating the participation in the thread which has largely been about doing daily pushups and the BTC price reaching $100k and perhaps a few other related tangential discussions that might somewhat relate to the topic of pushups and the BTC price.. which surely also many of us likely realize that such connection of pushups to the price was going on in other non-bitcointalk locations in bitcoinlandia around the beginning of the year, too.. ..and so surely in the thread, sometimes we had been talking about the BTC price in relation to doing pushups and perhaps health benefits of being strong for when the BTC price reaches $100k (presuming the price is going to go to $100k at some point), and also sometimes having discussions about the daily pushup table too and how members should submit their pushup reports to be included in the pushup table, and the development and implementation of the pushup table by DirtyKeyboard started right around the beginning of April, right around two months after the thread had already been running...

Quote from: joker_josue on October 20, 2024, 12:24:49 PM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 20, 2024, 03:37:24 AM

2. Thinking that those push ups are going to have any sort of relationship to price is an even bigger load of bull.

A while ago, a user went around saying that if you write certain words in your signature the price of BTC would go up, otherwise it would go down. Roll Eyes

People believe in many superstitions. Many football players enter the field with their right foot, as they believe that this will make them successful in the game. Others say she has a pair of lucky panties, and when they wear them everything goes well. Some I believe you have to do a certain kind of thing before something, to be successful. Anyway, the list is huge.

If these people think that doing push-ups or other physical activity helps the price of Bitcoin rise, that's fine with me. I already know who to blame when the price drops. Cool

As for the speculative aspect. Well, speculation is speculation, no matter how you do it. What you may question is whether the speculation argument is logical. For some it will be, for others it won't. It's still speculation, even if it's unrealistic.

I doubt that there are many members (perhaps none) who actually believe that the pushups actually cause the BTC price to go up, yet surely there can still end up being various kinds of speculation discussions being incorporated into how long we might have to do pushups and various pushup-related things that we might do at certain BTC price points, including my own speculation whether the quantity of my pushups might meet up with the BTC price, which I would prefer NOT to happen, even though at my current rate of daily pushups it is quite likely that I will probably catch up to the BTC price in the quantity of my pushups at some point prior to the BTC price reaching $100k, even if it might not be a permanent situation.. . and surely within the thread, I have been stating that I hope that the quantity of my pushups never reaches the same number as the BTC spot price.

Quote from: suchmoon on October 20, 2024, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: mindrust on October 20, 2024, 08:26:03 AM

Conclusion: If the mother of all merit farming/shitposting topic that is called "WO" stays in speculation, 100pushups should stay too.

Brilliant logic, let's close the off topic board, no point in having it if anything can be posted in speculation.

WO has some price discussions, unlike the pushup thread.

Have you read the whole pushup thread or you are speculation that the thread has nothing to do with BTC prices, even though the title of the thread has a target price of $100k contained within it?

Wouldn't there be an implication that any of us "serious" thread participants are expecting the BTC price to go to $100k sooner rather than later, otherwise maybe the title of the thread should be do 100 pushups per day forever or until you die trying, whichever comes first...

Well no the thread does not say that, so presumably some of us are hoping for $100k to come before we die, and some other pushers in the thread ended up stop doing their pushups because getting to $100k ended up taking longer than they expected... what else is there to speculation besides having a price and a time, and if the date is not specified there still likely is an assumption that $100k is around the corner, which really so far has not been working out so great for those of us continuing to do pushups and might have had been expecting to have had completed with such project by now, and so likely other members of the thread are consciously and/or subconsciously pressuring our peers to keep going since $100k is right around the corner, even though we cannot exactly determine when (such as within two weeks^tm) .. and two weeks never seems to come. Maybe you should join into the pushup thread rather than speculating about what we are not talking about, even though the price is right in our face every day and perhaps even within our thoughts while we are doing our daily pushups.. and hoping that we might some day soon ^tm be relieved of our obligation to do pushups every day based on what? based on the movement of the BTC price, hopefully up rather than down and/or sideways. "We" don't get relieved of our pushups until the BTC price goes to 100k.. whether such message is subliminal or not so subliminal even though it also happens to be stated in the title of the thread.. so go figure. How is that not some variation of BTC price speculation related to health benefits of ongoingly pushing ourselves with some kind of real world consequences at the same time and likely on a daily basis too.

Quote from: suchmoon on October 20, 2024, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: Alone055 on October 20, 2024, 08:18:24 PM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 20, 2024, 04:26:34 PM

I have opened a parallel thread. As I'm sure the haters will report it, I hope to see a rational explanation if something is done with my thread, like trashing it or moving it to off topic, and not with the other one.
People on the push-ups thread jinxing the price.

So, if your thread isn't trashed or moved to Off-topic, you will be cool about the pushups thread? Roll Eyes

Two wrongs don't make a right. The better question is - if the Don's thread gets moved, would you and everyone else here who defended Og's thread be equally vehement about Don's thread belonging in Speculation? Or is that different because of your obvious bias?

It's quite appalling really to see such a large group of people losing their collective mind just because they posted in a thread and someone called it "stupid". Guess what - you can still post on the off topic board, and you can even discuss bitcoin price on the off topic board! Amazing, right?

For the record, I don't think Og's thread is "the stupidest", there is a lot of competition for that title - for example the flat earth thread (RIP). And even being a stupid thread wouldn't necessarily mean it needs to be trashed... the aforementioned flat earth thread was quite amazing, but it was ON THE OFF TOPIC BOARD.

I know at least one long-time, trusted, respected member getting a temp ban for a thread that was far less off topic than the one being discussed here and wasn't a spamfest, so we have a bit of a goose/gander situation going on, which is not a good look for moderation or for the users going out of their way trying to prove that this somehow makes sense.

It is kind of funny (or ironic) that Don Pedro's thread seems to speculate about the pushup thread not affecting prices, which seems to give greater credence towards the pushup thread being a BTC price speculation thread.