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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 03, 2024, 01:42:32 PM

Quote from: DubemIfedigbo001 on November 01, 2024, 12:31:50 PM

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Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser. Cool

You are still likely confusing people with that description of a "naturally-occurring Ponzi."

Under your definition almost anything that is used for monetary value would be a "naturally-occurring Ponzi" since it's price would go up based on increased demand.

For some reason you are stubborn, and you continue to repeat such a confusing term as if you are making some kinds of a brilliant proclamation, when you are not, and it would be better that you figure out another way to say what you are saying, to the extent that you are even making a decent point in regards to either particulars of how bitcoin gets its price or how bitcoin might compare to other assets, such as comparing bitcoin to gold or some other asset.

By the way, bitcoin has a lot of monetary properties that help to derive its value, such as its verifiability, its divisibility, its transportability, its scarcity, the ability to transact and hold it without a third party and in very economical ways, and other qualities related to its programability that also gives utility to folks which may or may not end up driving its price upwards and also contributing to others financializing it and/or speculating on its value...so your ongoing use of Ponzi terminology, which also implies third party manipulation (even if you are trying to suggest that a "naturally" occurring Ponzi might not need a centralized party's manipulation is still misleading as fuck, and likely more confusing than any value that it might bring from the supposed profundity of your characterization of bitcoin in such a way.

And, yeah, you may well continue with your nonsense, and I would expect members to continue to question why you feel some kind of importance to insist on such a misleading characterization and categorization of bitcoin. You really think anyone is helped to understand bitcoin better by that crap, and if you don't give any shits then you are engaging int he same kind of behaviors as the bitcoin detractors, the naysayers, the shitcoin pumpers and the ones engaging in affinity scams that tend to create confusing with their baloney narratives.

It's very confusing indeed that he keeps repeating such derogatory word towards bitcoin. The first time he made use of the word here, I noticed lots of users here reacted angrily against the use of such words towards bitcoin, myself included. But it's still shocking to me that he keeps making use of that Ponzi of a word. I wonder how someone in his right senses will compare bitcoin and gold, and even went as low as calling bitcoin Ponzi. It makes me wonder if he actually knows the qualities of Money. Bitcoin is money and gold a natural resources. Bitcoin is a class above gold and gold doesn't come close to bitcoin. So I think it's senseless for someone to categorised bitcoin and gold together. I would have understand if it was a newbie making such comparisons, but coming from someone like him, makes me sick.

Sometimes it can still be helpful to make certain kinds of comparisons, and even to use controversial categorizations, whether talking about gold, bitcoin, Ponzi scheme or anything else, yet it probably would be better to make those kinds of comparisons in ways that are not overly confusing and/or misleading to members, especially when we have so many members who are at various stages in their learning about bitcoin, even if Wind_FURY might be technically correct in his categorizations, it's still misleading to be lumping bitcoin in with ponzi schemes and lumping bitcoin and gold together in the same kind of generalizing ways, and likely we should not need to get into those kinds of arguments in a thread like this in order for Wind_FURY and other members (especially forum members who have been around for a while) to realize that the Ponzi scheme term is confusing and misleading in a similar kind of way that it is misleading and confusing to refer to bitcoin as crypto or a cryptocurrency, even though "technically" it is correct that bitcoin fits into such category, but we still don't go along with such misleading and deceptive term for bitcoin. So, on an application level it is misleading and leading us into mostly irrelevant (and unnecessary) tangents to be both suggesting bitcoin fits into a Ponzi scheme category and to be blanketedly referring to bitcoin to be similar to gold in that regard.

Quote from: Dzwaafu11 on November 04, 2024, 01:16:22 PM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on November 03, 2024, 07:33:17 AM

It is clear that after making a long-term investment, if an investor monitors the market regularly and due to small changes in the market, that investor himself is affected and sells his investment, then this investment strategy is not called a long-term investment. If an investor sells his investment at some profit after purchase then we will consider it as early trading. Investing is not as easy as it sounds. In long term investment planning an investor needs to be patient enough and have the mindset to sacrifice a lot. After investing it is normal to make profit or loss due to market volatility, if you cannot hold enough capital during this temporary profit or loss then the investment is worthless.

Some investors believe that if they invest and see a small change in the market, it is appropriate to sell and take the profit, and it's wrong. As we often repeat, an investor who is willing to invest in bitcoin for a long time is anticipated to sell his investment after three or four years because, historically, the market always reaches an all-time high after that time.

If you are planning to play a 3-4 year BTC price wave (or a 3-4 year timeline), you are trading. You are not investing.

Sure, do whatever you want, but your referral to yourself as an investor and trying to suggest that BTC investors are choosing such a 3-4 year timeline as "a BTC investment" is misleading when you are in fact trading what you expect to be a BTC price wave.. even if you might be taking a longer timeline than someone who might be looking at 1-2 years.. so what.. it is the same thing with just an extra year or two added on.. you are not investing.. you are trading..

Quote from: Dzwaafu11 on November 04, 2024, 01:16:22 PM

However, many investors fail to comprehend when they should expect to make a significant return from their investment; it is best if they continue to invest throughout this period and wait at least four years before extracting profits.

You are still talking like a trader.. the idea of "extracting profits" is a trading idea.

I would suggest that investing is going to be 10 years or longer, even though we allow the idea of shorter term investments of 4-10 years because there are some folks who might need shorter than 10 years because they have health and/or age considerations that might not allow them to invest up to 10 years, so it would be acceptable for them to have as short as a 4 year time horizon in terms of when they might start to withdraw their BTC (based on price and/or time) and still be considered an investor rather than a trader.. Anyone planning on withdrawing less than 4 years is trading rather than investing and anyone who is merely playing longer waves to just get in and out of bitcoin is trading also, even if they might have longer than 4 year timelines, and they have that mindset of getting in and out.

In the end, each of us can do whatever we want, yet there still seem to be different mindsets between traders and investors, and sometimes the traders are trying to call themselves investors merely because they are trading on a longer timeline... and sure don't get me wrong.. each of us mighty come to any investment and change our minds, so we always have absolute discretion to change our minds about how we want to allocate our time, energy and value.. so we never lose that, even if we might purposefully choose to invest into something like bitcoin on a longer timeline that is more like 10-20 years or longer or we plan to invest into bitcoin until we reach our accumulation target and then at that point or sometime thereafter we might start to employ sustainable withdrawal strategies (price based and/or time based) in which we might be living off some or all of our bitcoin for the remainder of our lives and/or passing some down to our heirs, too..

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 04, 2024, 02:15:06 PM

Quote from: avp2306 on November 03, 2024, 10:09:34 PM

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I'm sorry if you didn't get the context. I'm NOT calling Bitcoin a "Ponzi Scheme" because it's NOT that. Bitcoin is a Naturally-Occurring Ponzi. It's "Ponzi-Like", like Gold, it's NOT a Ponzi Scheme like those scams you read about in the news.

If you actually study and understand the market dynamics of Bitcoin and Gold, it does have a resemblance to a naturally-occurring Ponzi-Like process. - That creates a feedback loop from investors and speculators' positive projections/expectations which causes price surges WITHOUT a nefarious entity and WITHOUT fraudulent behavior.

I'm NOT saying that the market is a scam, ser. If you don't understand or didn't get the context, then I'm sorry.

Oh gawwwwddd. I doubt that avp2306 is the ONLY one not really "getting it".. Bitcoin (and gold) naturally occurring "good kinds of Ponzis" because they fall into naturally occurring feedback loops..likely affecting price.. ..

To me, it still sounds misleading and unnecessary to get into such categorizing.

Quote from: Samlucky O on November 04, 2024, 02:43:53 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on November 04, 2024, 02:43:15 AM

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@Wind Fury!! It's better you start being serious and reasonable for once.

Yeah.. Wind_FURY.. start to think different, and grow dee fuck up... "We" (not just royal, either) cannot be tolerating your ongoing unseriousness.

Cheesy

Quote from: Samlucky O on November 04, 2024, 02:43:53 PM

I Think you will likely explain more on the deffirent between

1) Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top.
2) "naturally-occurring Ponzi Like Gold,."

Hahahahaha.. I doubt "we" need to invite Wind_FURY to explain anymore than he already has..

Quote from: Samlucky O on November 04, 2024, 02:43:53 PM

The funny part is that when he starts being directly unserious he uses this sticker to act as if he was not being serious, perhaps he is serious

Yeah.. This time, he is serious. For sure.

He also gets mad sometimes when he is trying to be serious, and peeps don't want to listen to him... I wonder how that came about?

Quote from: Oshio-man on November 04, 2024, 02:59:13 PM

Quote from: MainIbem on November 04, 2024, 07:52:15 AM

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Beginniners should know that not everything they see or hear from a thread they will use to establish their own investment, there are some strategies that will work for Mr John and it will not work for Mr Paul if they invest different capital in that investment, you as a beginner, you need to carry out your personal research before doing what you hear or seen in the thread because there are methods they will not display on that thread for you not to know everything about the methods but if you concentrate and go deeper in research, you will definitely get it right to boost your income in your investment.

You are absolutely correct that even beginners need to figure out their own strategy so that they do not become overly reliant on advice that they get on the interwebs, and surely some information is going to be better than other information, so they have to sort the good from the bad and come to their own conclusion in regards to how much weight to give to various kinds of information, even if it might come from a forum member who might seem to know what they are talking about.

Quote from: Oshio-man on November 04, 2024, 02:59:13 PM

Bear season is the right way to earn income in your holding when bull season begin to display, do you want to buy bitcoin now?

You seem to be getting overly excited about the possibility of trading, Oshio-man. Have you already accumulated enough BTC in the last nearly 5 months that you have been registered on the forum. Did you start accumulating BTC prior to your forum registration?

Are you investing into bitcoin or trading? How long is your investment timeline?

Quote from: Oshio-man on November 04, 2024, 02:59:13 PM

I will advice you to wait for the price to decrease back to $50k before you can buy and hold for long years

That is almost the most retarded advice that I have ever heard from another forum member. Are you assuming that whoever you are advising has already got some BTC or not?

What if the forum member does not have any BTC?

What if the member has been accumulating BTC for about 5 months? Similar to your forum registration date?

What if the forum member had been accumulating BTC for 1 year, 2 years, 3 years? or some other quantity of time? Would those kinds of facts change your recommendation?

Do you need to know anything else about the forum member? or you just think blanketedly $50k is a good entry point for BTC?

Quote from: Oshio-man on November 04, 2024, 02:59:13 PM

, before you can think of release them for sale and it will open your eyes to see that long holding is profitable than short holding.

Sure, for BTC, long term does tend to be better than short term, yet I still wonder how you would consider that there would be any kind of a concern or a value for someone who is buying long term to wait for $50k rather than buying at our current BTC price of $67.5k -ish? Sure $50k-ish is about 25% less than $67.5k-ish, but still don't we need to know more? And, if we make a general presumption about the total population of the world (or anyone who might be reading this thread), then what should we presume about the status of such potential person? Does the average person already have bitcoin or not? Anything else that we might presume about the average person who might be reading this thread? Sure, they have some kind of an interest (or curiosity) about bitcoin, but what else is going on with any such person that might be relevant to whether waiting until $50k might be a prudent and/or reasonable approach to bitcoin?