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Quote from: paxmao on November 08, 2024, 11:59:05 PM

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Keyword here "was" so not "is". It was destroyed. Mariupol is an Ukranian loss, but not much of a Ruzzian win. Steel is produced all over the world and is pretty much in crisis in Europe because it is not profitable.

As for the mineral resource, ok, yes but, again, the need investment and people to get them working again and the profits are questionable. That money would be much better placed elsewere in Ruzzia.
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Europe is in crisis in part because they are energy deprived. This after a dedicated and effective effort on multiple fronts to shoot themselves in the foot. Why? Who knows? Who cares? Seems like some mysterious group is dedicated to collapsing the West and it owns the political and media apparatus there-of and as such is getting them to happily commit suicide.

You know who isn't energy deprived? Yeah, that's right; Russia. When NATO has finally fought down to the last Ukrainian, much of Russia's apparatus to build multiple highly sophisticated and lethal ballistic missiles and a great many war-oriented other things will be released. Even after the fighting stops, Russia will probably be busy building weapons which have proven to win wars for other countries which want such a capability, but what is released could probably re-build Azovstal to ultra-modern standards in a matter of months. And again, the country has the energy resources to operate it. And now much of the previously 'Ukrainian' raw materials which used to supply it are within the Russian Federation's control.

It is interesting how you are trying to make Ruzzia somehow an economic winner of this super-fiasco war, when you have the interests rates at 21% and even the business leaders are willing to put a degree of criticism (I guess they have lost the fear to flight out of a window?)

https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/russian-industry-warns-central-banks-high-rates-hurt-crucial-new-investment-2024-10-23/

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Russian industry warns central bank's high rates hurt crucial new investment

This is what I mean when I say that you need lots of money to get anything back into production in Ukraine and Ruzzia does not have it.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/08/15/russias-economy-the-balance-between-labour-shortage-and-military-manpower

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Russia's leadership finds itself in a peculiar dilemma – it lacks manpower to protect its borders and continue the fight in the Donbas, but it also needs to plug labour gaps if it is to sustain its war economy.

And this is what I mean when I say you need people and ain't got it.

So Europe loses competitivity in certain industries, and Ruzzia looses money by the bucket full:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/15/gazprom-2023-results-budget-war-economy-russia-putin-europe-china/#:~:text=And%20just%20this%20month%2C%20Gazprom,predictions%20for%20the%20coming%20year.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-reports-9-month-loss-32-billion-2024-10-29/

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loss under Russian accounting standards, which do not include subsidiaries, was 309 billion roubles ($3.2 billion) compared to a profit of 446 billion roubles in the same period of 2023.

So sure, go turn on the heating. Europe will have no problem this winter... nor any other, however Ruzzia will be damaging precisely the countries in the third world that cannot pay for it.

So... guess who is not money deprived...

Funny enough, the drone strikes in Ruzzian refineries have deprived and rised costs of fuel to the point that refined product had to be imported. BTW Ruzzia is still exporting oil, but to a capped price.