Quote from: Hispo on November 09, 2024, 07:19:00 PM

Quote from: paxmao on November 08, 2024, 11:37:09 PM

Quote from: Hispo on November 08, 2024, 10:47:08 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on November 07, 2024, 11:34:02 PM

Let's just make him king for life and be done with it. Enough of that whole election and democracy nonsense, waste of money. Make him the king of the whole world while we're at it, I'm sure other countries won't mind.

Honestly, I had not expected someone who is fond of Trump to start suggesting to prolong his seat in power way beyond his secomd term, before he actually took the seat.
One must wonder how far the Republican party controlled by him would be willing to go for power now they have proven Trump to be a viable source of it. I am sure the could be some in the caucus who would be willing to prolong his seat in the oval office, but it would represent an unprecedented red line on the floor. We are already living unprecedented times,.sure but it would still sound weird to me and out of place people in the Senate and the house of representatives to actively go against democracy in such a blatant way.

Anyways, perhaps we are getting more and more desensitized to all this non-sense to the point it would seems not to matter anyone.

I think he is being ironic or you are being ironic. suchmoon is not fond of Trump or is very good at hiding it. Grin

The Republican party does not control Trump at all. Trump has taken the Republican party, changed it into some short of autocratic monster and then used it as a platform to win his victory. In other words, the Republican Party has won nothing in this election. They are the band and Trump the singer, owner, producer and distributor of the music.

I was not talking about suchmoon, actually. I meant OP who I don't know whether he was trying to be ironic or not. But I was not trying to be ironic, this rather a serious matter because due to the unprecedented victory of Trump, I am afraid people and politicians who harbor very extreme ideas could feel too cocky on what they could be able to pull off with all this seemly unchecked power the presidency of the United States have gotten (thanks to the decision of the SCOTUS).

Also, I disagree. Trump has not completely taken over the Republican party because he is not capable of such a thing by himself, he has taken over the people who vote for the Republican party so the party is dancing under his music and pace, that is true, but within the Republican party there are actual economists who are intelligent enough not to allow Trump to go away with that crazy tariff plan hr has talked about, within the Republican party there are also doctors who would not allow Kennedy Jr to make more difficult for people to access to vaccines, and so on. One needs to remember politicians pretty much are big players within stock markets and they will not burn their personal fortune for the sake of pleasing Trump with his crazy enomical plans in order to try to get money off China.

By the way, Zelensky must be completely devastated by all this stuff going on.

Not by himself, it is thanks to the electoral base and support that is fully rallied around his personality - like many authoritarians out there, it is a cult of the leader, but also, and this is important, about the donors. The donors do not care if the "immigrants eat dogs" because they will not ever meet one of them, they do not care about gay, transgender nor anything else... but they do care about money. They will keep pouring money on Trump as long as he promises a thin state - low cost (including Health Services) and as less tax as possible. All the rest is irrelevant to them.

They all see in Trump a chance to capture the vote of the people that would naturally want free public healthcare, better schools, more rights for minorities and more corporation taxes by selling some weird idea of liberty - while the fact is that it was inflation the main mobilisation of these social groups. If someone falls out of favour with Trump... money dries.

I do not think Zelensky is devastated just yet, he like most people need to figure out what is going to be the cost of having Trump as president, but notice that Biden could have provided decisive aid, the type that would have ended the war in good terms for Ukraine and he did not. What is the point of keep sending Ukrainians to the front if there is no Victory plan?

I am not a blind follower of idols, I judge on results. I think Trump will force concessions but it is about what is that level of concessions. Is Ukraine going to be a viable country, able to join the EU? Is it going to get any guarantee whatsoever that something like the Ruzzian invasion would not happen again? The first is needed for peace, the second is needed for a lasting peace.