Quote from: paxmao on Today at 03:31:48 PM

Quote from: Branko on Today at 01:49:25 PM

Poor paxmao, top EU official just admit USA is calling shots about Ukraine
and EU absolutely has no saying, despite Ukraine been in Europe. Now
that Trump won, he can speak freely, and this is what he said:

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855804917103124893

Branko, you are going to get an indigestion picking so many red cherries.

I must have said 100 times that there are winners in this war but Ruzzia, Ukraine, Europe are not among them. Do you need more hints?

Europe is bracing for something more important than blabbler. Trump is as usual a factor of uncertainty, mostly because he is probably not that very certain on how he intends to do things.

It is of course normal that the US calls the shots, that is nothing new, however you appraisal of Europe not having a say is unrealistic. At the moment there is a deal that allows a great influence of the US in Europe and that is fine. However, it is not the only possible deal and if the US behaves erratically Europe will take matters into it's own hands. This applies to self-defence, military brute power, military technology and international diplomacy. If something has been proven constant in history is adaptation.

Trumps attitude may be actually what Europe needs to wake up from the dream of being peaceful in a world at war. Unfortunately we will change the peace dividend for the weapons dividend. On regards to the US, well, I am not sure Trump understands the difference between an ally and a serf, but he is about to find out if plans for tariffs are kept.

Here have a present for you:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx28jd0114ro

Guess.... is this Kiev or Moscow... difficult to know nowadays..

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 02:17:52 PM

Quote from: paxmao on Today at 10:45:08 AM

Quote from: Branko on Today at 08:46:18 AM

Poor paxmao, still tryin'

Because of people like him, this deal was destroyed

[link to known propagandist removed]

And there you go, step 2 attack the messenger. It was about time guys, you are loosing you sharpness.. I mean the little sharpness left. BTW I would not call myself poor Paxmao, but suit yourself. And while you argue about it, drones have closed Moscow airport and hit a few buildings here and there. I seems only logical after the Iranian Shaheds hitting over and over. I would expect to see more of this before the "negotiations".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/10/ukraine-russia-drone-attacks-moscow-war

Who would have thought... the all mighty Ruzzia systems cannot even stop ancient technology from hitting their capital. Not good for sales.

Crying propaganda just not to address the substance. What will you say of this source? https://www.gcsp.ch/digital-hub/breaking-stalemate-find-peace-russia-ukraine-war-geneva-security-debate

Do you think people that are still pushing to mobilize women and lowering mobilization age for men in Ukraine will later cope by arguing that they were just messengers too?

And just how exactly would an argument from a theoretical evil person that wants to sacrifice Ukraine and get them to fight to the last Ukrainian sound different?

The core issue is not the core issue you decide is the core issue. There are far more important events that actually affect the war:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-moves-reassure-ukraine-unwavering-support-after-trump-win-2024-11-09/

Time for Europe to stop being a child and grow into a man. If Germany has to get nukes... so be it. If a nuclear programme is required in Europe, no reason to wait 'till tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9K2BPkj0yw

To be honest, Europe may actually support Ukraine properly and not a lukewarm support like the US has shown until now. For the US is absolutely of to f*ck Ruzzia, f*ck the EU and fu*ck any other affected country, to not have a proper victory plan and let Ruzzia loose billions in oil facilities, drawn on the thousands of military equipment in storage and let Ruzzia bleed against Ukraine. Europe may have a much more practical approach - and even better for Ruzzia probably in the long term.

EU officials are been silent because they're AFRAID...now, how come? In your world everyone is afraid of Russia, not USA
Maybe Gladio is still alive, after all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/georgian-pm-says-eu-official-made-horrific-threat/ar-BB1mW6hA