Quote from: Zozain on November 23, 2024, 09:57:37 PM

Quote from: Ruttoshi on November 22, 2024, 04:30:44 PM

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Yes, agree with you there are two categories of Bitcoin, long-term and short-term investment. And the main feature of these two investment methods is the amount of risk.

You really sound confused in terms of your repeating ideas that risk is changed based on timeline of the investment rather than position size and/or other aspect about the asset affecting assessments of risk, which also short term versus long term investing is starting to come across as a kind of unnecessarily and irrelevant kind of framing that takes us away from more important considerations of other things that any bitcoin investor might do.. or in your case you might be wanting to talk about trader, even though you are using the word "investor"

Quote from: Zozain on November 23, 2024, 09:57:37 PM

but you could invest a small amount of money and then you don't necessarily perceive that the amount that you invested is materially affecting you, so in that case

This part is true. Adjustment of position size can be helpful otherwise balance out various cashflow considerations, including with actual investing we have the expression of not investing any more than you can afford to lose.. so that helps to remind folks to 1) take investment money from their discretionary income 2) consider their investment timeline to be 4-10 years or longer 3) the investment outcome is not guaranteed to go up so amount of the position should be adjusted to account for both negative and positive scenarios, even though surely no one is going to want to invest into anything that they consider to NOT have good odds of being worth more at the time that they are going to start to draw from it.

Quote from: Zozain on November 23, 2024, 09:57:37 PM

. Trading has different timing but not 4 years.

Trading is likely more defined by what a guy might be wanting to do with the proceeds when cashing out, buy back BTC at lower prices or consume it, or cash out forever... In bitcoin frequently we like to consider the fundamentals that involve its halvening cycle, so ideas of a minimum of 4 years helps to give ideas of minimum timelines for investing into bitcoin but merely having at least a 4 year timeline might not take a guy out of the trading category, even though surely the longer that a person plans to stay in bitcoin helps to create a presumption that he is investing rather than trading.

Quote from: Zozain on November 23, 2024, 09:57:37 PM

From my experience in cryptocurrency,

This is a bitcoin thread. So who knows what you are talking about if you are referring to cryptocurrency. If you did not use the word bitcoin, then do you even know what you are talking about? or did you just want to sound smarter by using a categorically descriptive word that fails to specify what you are talking about?

Quote from: Zozain on November 23, 2024, 09:57:37 PM

I have not encountered 4 years trading timing. In trading there there are 1m, 15m, 4h, 1d, 1w, 1month to infinity

You are referring to the various kinds of charts? Getting into the weeds of how to trade seems pretty unnecessary, even though surely there are quite a few different kinds of styles of trading, including trading that works on shorter timelines and trading that may try to play BTC price waves on longer timelines. Surely, I am not going to claim to be an expert on trading strategies, especially since I consider trading bitcoin to be a pretty dumb idea, especially when there may end up being periods that the BTC price goes up and then the trader sells most if not all of his bitcoin, yet the BTC price still keeps going up, so such traders are going to end up not being as much in profits as the guy who just regularly bought bitcoin consistently, persistently and ongoingly, especially over a whole 4 year cycle or longer.. So far in bitcoin's history, the longer the guy had been investing by buying bitcoin consistently, persistently and ongoingly, the more likely that the performance of the BTC of such ongonig buyer is going to beat the guys who had been screwing around with trading.. and so it can be quite difficult for any traders to actually beat the BTC investor, especially on a longer timeline... but sure traders will frequently brag about their various profits, yet if we really look at how much money they might have put into bitcoin as compared to the ongoing buyer of BTC, they likely have not outperformed the ongoing buyer and they may well have significantly underperformed by multiples and/or magnitudes... which makes it seem really dumb as to why anyone should want to trade or try to trade one of the best, if not the best performing asset available on a wide-scale basis... and so it may well be quite rare that a trader in bitcoin will outperform a BTC investor, and perhaps any actual outperformance may be a result of luck rather than actual skill, since many of the trading techniques in practice that might be successful are largely difficult to replicate and even to justify spending so much time in learning such, when straight-forward ongoing, persistent and consistent buying of BTC has been replicable and quite profitable, so sometimes seems absurd that more profits would even be necessary....even though surely past performance does not guarantee future results, while at the same time bitcoin's investment thesis does not seem to be getting any weaker even though the upward slope of its price increases might be becoming less steep than past times.

Quote from: Agbe on November 23, 2024, 10:29:21 PM

JayJuanGee you don't have to make comment here. Let them defend themselves. Thanks.

You make it tempting to respond to you because some things you are saying seem to be quasi new points directed at me, characterizing my position(s) and even your proclaiming theories why some forum members are participating or choosing to not participate in this thread, but whatever, I will leave this one.. You get one freebie.. hahahahaha. Tongue