Quote from: Cricktor on November 26, 2024, 09:50:59 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 26, 2024, 05:58:17 AM

This is going to be a laughable question. What's safer to use, a consumer laptop used merely for Bitcoin and shitcoining, or a Ledger Nano S+?

There have been comments already to your question. My two cents are: if you use the consumer laptop air-gapped as a cold wallet only, that I'd consider safer than this Ledger crap.

I already have that, an air-gapped computer that doesn't connect to the internet as my cold-storage set up for my Bitcoins, with an exclusive USB for signing.

I'm merely asking Ledger compared to a computer/laptop with a fresh installation of Linux that's exclusively for using crypto.

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We can't know what the black box firmware of a Ledger does or doesn't. So, you can't verify it, you can't trust it, period! Your trust level is to believe when the Ledger Paris freaks scream at you: it's all safe, trust us, bro!

This is already bad enough and reason to better stay away from Ledger. But it gets worse. This recovery subsciption abomination is activated by a software, Ledger Live, the finest piece of programming craftmanship, full of trackers, cough, cough. And come on, software on a potentially unsafe and vulnerable device can't protect itself from malware. It can't be safe!

Yes, you have to confirm it on your Ledger hardware and it seems, encrypted stuff is exchanged, certainly not too easy to exploit, but who knows. We'll know when it happened.

A malware targeting Ledger Live... what could possibly go wrong? Go figure!

I believe no one can prove or disprove BOTH sides of the debate, BUT who wants to buy a brand new Ledger Nano S+? I have one available for sale arriving soon.